No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be favorite to beat modern super heavyweights

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you can't answer the questions I asked. How sad of you! Which means you need to take some logic courses you fool!
     
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  2. SuperPiccolo

    SuperPiccolo Member banned Full Member

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    Clearly he is a troll but people including myself took the bait. But maybe he is just that stupid. He brought up Holyfield losing and Tyson losing but of course have no problem with Wladimir losing. Tyson lost to Douglas. It took 10 rounds. Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders in 4 minutes. Tyson lost to Danny Williams and Kevin McBride when he was past his prime Wlad lost to Ross Purrity and Lamon Brewster in his physical prime. Holyfield was way past his physical prime when he lost to James Toney.

    The sad little kid acts like there weren't 6'5 plus guys until Wlad came along. There were tons of 6'5 guys since that early 70's and some became champ like Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe but most champions were aroudn 6'2 and 6'3
     
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  3. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So, you're saying that a boxer with a good jab and knock out power, is hard to beat?
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm saying a super heavyweight that is 240+ pounds and / or 6 foot 3 +inches that has lots of power with even basic boxing skills is going to have 90% chance at beating pretty much any 'small heavyweight' that is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches.
     
  5. andyw362

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    In no other weight division do you have such bad match ups.

    They should draw the line at 16 stone or 16.5 stone. anything above is super heavy.

    People have grown taller/bigger since the rules have been re written.
     
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    andyw362 Active Member Full Member

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    Would he really though? There is quite a size difference. And you have to think of arguably the greatest HW to beat a big guy with limited skills.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Okay! Fine! You Win! Wladimir Klitschko isn't the heavyweight GOAT.

    This leaves us with undefeated skilled super heavyweights like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Two who have already surpassed most, if not all past heavyweight champs. What excuses now?

    Povetkin is also past his best and is around 40 years old. Why isn't he losing to the likes of David Price and Christian Hammer the way Mike tyson was shamefully losing to the likes of Danny Williams and Kevin McBride and the way Evander Holyfield was shamefully losing to the likes of blown up middleweight James Toney and poor ex champions like John Ruiz? Maybe because Povetkin is a class above those two overrated hypejobs?
     
  8. Angler Andrew

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    Lol I know,we’re you to make a blanket statement about those under 6/4 having no chance I could see their logic but as it happens that 10% chance you gave is actually very apt.
     
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  9. Angler Andrew

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    Yes but as shown with Price last night and Wlads losses and Lennox too one can be dropped if you get into a tear up.
    I think that when these super Heavyweights use their height n reach not unlike Joshua last night it becomes nigh on impossible for the smaller man to win.
    Personally I hated what Emanuel did with Wlad but it was very successful and made Povetkin look like a rank novice.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, it's close to humanly impossible to get past a Klitschko jab if one is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. It's almost against the laws of physics / science.

    David Price isn't a top level / tier super heavyweight like Joshua, Wilder and Fury are. So he doesn't count and isn't part of this discussion as a result.

    Anthony Joshua doesn't control distance as well as a Klitschko with his lead hand. However, his sheer physical size allows him to impose himself in the ring with his sheer physical presence and allows him to just flat out out-muscle his opponents using his physical strength and punching power. Especially smaller sized opponents and none so far have been able to handle it. Hence, everyone ends up giving up the center of the ring against him as they back up. Which allows Joshua to control the center of the ring and win rounds easily and most of the time, also enables him to get the knockouts.
     
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  11. Angler Andrew

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    Totally agree,imo Wlad is the hardest puncher ever at HW,not in that Wilder throw from your feet kind of power but technically his jab alone was nearly knocking Povetkin out,ive never seen anything like it before or since.
     
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    They should scrap some of the lighter weights where you only need to take a **** to be in a lower weight class. Nobody should be a 6 weight champ, unless they started fighting professionally aged 12.

    Bring in a super heavy category at 16st +
     
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  13. SuperPiccolo

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    [QUOTE="Angler Andrew, post: 19112530, member: 114688"
    ]Can’t argue with this but still in percentage terms it probably does add up to ten percent.[/QUOTE]

    Corrie Sanders fought Wlad one time and knocked him out one time. So Corrie Sanders had a 100 percent chance of knocking out Wlad. Ross Purrity fought Wlad one time and knocked out Wlad one time. So he had a 100 percent chance of beating Wlad. Lamon Brewster fought Wlad 2 times and won one time. Which means he had a 50 percent chance of beating Wlad.
     
  14. On The Money

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    There is no one ingredient although it's getting tougher for shorter guys
    Corrie Sanders fought Wlad one time and knocked him out one time. So Corrie Sanders had a 100 percent chance of knocking out Wlad. Ross Purrity fought Wlad one time and knocked out Wlad one time. So he had a 100 percent chance of beating Wlad. Lamon Brewster fought Wlad 2 times and won one time. Which means he had a 50 percent chance of beating Wlad.[/QUOTE]

    Delete your account fool.
     
  15. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol Wlad punching power is so hard that in 2 fights with the 5'10 Everett Martin he couldn't knock him down or hurt him. Yet a 40 year old overweight Foreman was able to knock Martin down with one punch? Morrison was able to hurt Ross Purrity something Wlad couldn't do. Wlad isn't even a top 10 all time heavyweight puncher. You Wlad fans are becoming as bad as Wilder and Joshua fans.