Modern heavyweights (height and weight) vs heavyweights from the 70's on

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  1. SuperPiccolo

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    Why do so many casual fans assume heavyweights from the 70's were smaller than today's heavyweights? You will see casual fans just look at weight and assume that makes you bigger, when most heavyweights back in the 70's tried to be in great shape. Which is why heavyweights now have less stamina compared to heavyweights of yester year.

    Alexander Povetkin is still considered a top contender and he is 6'2 or close to that. So most champions and contenders during the 70's were between that height and 6'5/6'6

    Leroy Jones, Al Jones, Chuck Wepner, Jack O'Halloran, James J Beattie, Stamford Harris, Orville Qualls, Larry Frazier, Ollie Wilson, Larry Middleton, Roy Williams, Gerry Quarry, were all 6'5 plus, then you had the tons of guys who were 6'3 of over. George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, Rodney and Duane Bobick, Henry Clark, Bernado Mercado, Howard Smith, Joe Bugner, John Dino Dennis, Dante Cane, Richard Dunn, Tony Doyle, Manuel Ramos, Jeff Merrit, Michael Dokes, John Tate, Mel Turnbrow, Buster Mathis Sr,

    Mac Foster, Muhammad Ali who were 6'2 and I could just go on and on. I know what some people will do, you will say you just named names. All of these guys weren't good or great fighters. Because clearly every fighter today is great? Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua best win came against washed up 50 year old fighters and they are legends to the casuals.

    Most casual fans equate being fat to being big. Most fighters today are either fat or on PEDs. That doesn't equate to being bigger or better than 70's 80's or 90's fighters.
     
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  2. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Steroids, hgh, etc, along with training programs and nutrition have definitely changed modern athletes…

    Comparing atg’s vs current really should contain the caveat, “with ped’s or without ped’s”
     
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  3. mirkofilipovic

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    Just like Ward had to cheat to beat kovalev, those old guys need PED’s to fight The modern boxers!
     
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  4. SuperPiccolo

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    I don't know what any of you just type has to do with my point of heavyweights back in the 70's 80's and 90's being the same size as current heavyweights.
     
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    Right , clearly a troll looking for attention. I won't give you any. Blocked.
     
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    2018 HWS rated in the top ten by Ring, and their heights:
    AJ 6'6
    Wilder 6'7
    Parker 6'4
    Povetkin 6'2
    Ortiz 6'4
    Pulev 6'4
    Whyte 6'3
    Brazaele 6'7
    Miller 6'4
    Kownacki 6'3

    Average height: 6'4.4

    1978 HWs ranked top ten by Ring, and their heights:
    Ali 6'3
    Holmes 6'3
    Norton 6'3
    Spinks 6'1
    Lyle 6'3
    Young 6'2
    Knoecke 6'1
    Evangelista 6'1
    Coetzee 6'4
    Ocasio 5'11
    D,Alia (unknown)
    Average height: 6'2
     
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    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thought it furthered your points while acknowledging the obvious differences in appearance, weight and muscle mass. I must have misunderstood your points…
     
  8. SuperPiccolo

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    Right, no I think you just can't read. It is okay most people here can't read or understand what they are reading.
     
  9. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Depends on who’s writing it…
     
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  10. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol again you are picking and choosing to prove your point. I said 70's heavyweights and you just chose one particular year that benefits you. You didn't name Leroy Jones who was 6'5, Al Jones who was 6'6 or Gerry Cooney who was 6'5. Roy Williams who was 6'5 , Stamford Harris 6'5 1/2 , Jeff Merrit 6'5, Chuck Wepner 6'5 , Jack O'Hallorwan 6'5 .Also you are just going to pick a random year to prove your point. Then you are still wrong.

    Wilder is 6'6 not 6'7, Anthony Joshua is the same height as Wlad who claims to be 6'5, Ortiz is the same height as David Allen who is 6'3. I am not talking about the height the bill themselves as.
     
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  11. SuperPiccolo

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    No you aren't bright and you can't read and now you are typing to somebody else because you aren't typing to me. You are dismissed. Ignored.
     
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    Uhm, no, I picked the first year I thought of, exactly 40 years ago. AvActual, YOU are cherry picking fighters. Of you believe the sizes are the same, how about you pick a year in the 70, and line up the top ten Ring fighters of that year and their heights, and compare them to the modern top ten fighters? I'll wait.

    Also, most of the fighters you mention were BAD, OHalloran was a journeyman at best, and Wepner was never a legit top ten guy. AND you are reducing the height of modern guys, claiming exaggeration, while not doing the same to past fighters, who were equally prone to exaggeration.

    Again, I lined up fighters in a scientific manner. Why don't you do the same?
     
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  13. SuperPiccolo

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    Right and I said fighters from the 70s were the same height as fighters of today. Again you picked one year and then left off pretty much every 6'5 plus heavyweight. Lol kid if Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Ali were fighting today do you think any of these guys would be champions? Are you this freaking stupid? Being big isn't going to help you which is why the guys who were 6'5 plus weren't champions back then. Also who gives a damn about who was in the top 10 or not. I said fighters period back then were bigger now which fighers were in the top 10.

    Dominic Breazale is a good fighter now? Pulev is a good fighter? Kownacki is a top fighter? Pulev is a top fighter? O'Halloran was a contender for a while. 6'5 Leroy Jones only lost 1 fight in his career and that was in a title fight with 6'3 Larry Holmes. 6'6 Al Jones was a contender for a while but bad hands forced him to retire. 6'5 Gerry Cooney was a contender but I guess you are just going to dismiss those fighters just to try to prove your point right? So let me dismiss you by simply ignoring you. How about that?
     
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  14. Reg

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    You're comparing the David Prices of yesteryear to the current top Heavies. Stop that.

    And the 90s are lumped in with the modern era in these conversations, not the former.
     
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    Lol David Price is a top heavyweight today. He is just as crappy as these other guys. Also what does the 90s heavyweights have to do with the guys fighting right now? Pretty much every heavyweight from the 90s with the exception of Shannon Briggs have retired.

    I also didn't name any fighter from the 70's who is as bad as David Price. If you can't answer my original question then don't waste your time on my thread.