Anthony Oluwafemi Joshua vs. Joseph Dennis Parker - the standalone IB RBR scorecard.

Komaster · Apr 2, 2018

I was watching German coverage and they were non partisan. When they flashed Lennox Lewis' scorecards where AJ swept the first 4 or 5 I shrieked with disbelief. Lennox went on to say AJ won because he kept JP at the end of his jab. Nah he didnt control anything with his jab did he? I agree JP didn't quitr do enough but AJ doesn't desrve the exaltation. AJ timed JP a handful of times with the jab but it wasnt a Dominant display of cintrolling a smaller guy with tge jab as Lennox was intimating

Manu Vatuvei · Apr 2, 2018

IntentionalButt said: ↑

This is something people do that I don't understand. You're supposed to score the round, in a vacuum, not tailor your score to what you think might be on the official judges' cards. The object isn't to have a card that most closely mirrors the aggregate of theirs in the end (nobody's handing out any prizes if you do); the object is to correctly score the fight (whether or not they do, or anybody else does) just for yourself for posterity. I've never understood why people factor in what somebody else might be scoring into their own personal card.
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To be clear, when I say I had it 2-2 I wouldn’t really say that was the ‘Manu Vatuvei official card’- that was me watching as a fan, desperate for Parker to win, with scoring as an afterthought.

Hopefully you picked up from the last sentence of my previous post that I entirely agree with you.

JeremyCorbyn · Apr 2, 2018

Manu Vatuvei said: ↑

Seems to me like the big point of difference between the close scores and the wide scores is the first 4 rounds. Most of us seem to agree Parker won a round or three in the middle and Joshua got all or most of the late rounds. I’ve heard literally every possible score for the first 4 though, and that’s where you get your 114-114s and your 118-110s.

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Yeah I think that is a fair assessment. My memory of what happened in those first 4 rounds was pretty different to how I viewed it back on replay last night. My memory, was that Joshua was dominant, cutting off the ring, landing his jab, then watching it back again (albeit with different commentary) I hardly saw any of that.

I'm thinking the sky commentary might have influenced me, I mean I always knew commentary is going to influence you to some degree, but I didn't realise how much, definitely a wake up call for me, but I think you are right, it really comes down to what lens you view those first 4 rounds from.

IntentionalButt · Apr 2, 2018

Showtime commentators were hardly pro-Parker cheerleaders, but anybody that had that audio was probably better off than watching Sky. Best advised is to watch on mute.

Komaster · Apr 2, 2018

All in all I think we're up in arms because AJ didnt deserve to win anything that night. But some ones gotta get the W I guess. They decided , because AJ had more belts, that JP had to 'take them off him" as if he was the challenger. Thats a phantasm right there

JeremyCorbyn · Apr 2, 2018

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Showtime commentators were hardly pro-Parker cheerleaders, but anybody that had that audio was probably better off than watching Sky. Best advised is to watch on mute.
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You've gotta be pretty hardcore and disciplined to watch a live event like that on mute, especially if you have friends over.

"Yeah lads, I'm turning the sound off now... don't swear at me guys, it's going on mute, we need to score the fight objectively!"

TheChinaChin · Apr 2, 2018

This thread is a real eye opener for me. I'm very much in the camp of Joshua won this fight decisively, and before coming here my impression was that you really needed to be a AJ hater to even make it close. So you can imagine my surprise when I saw knowable posters like IB having Parker 5-1 up after 6.

I listened to the fight live on talksport and they scored the fight 116-112 AJ.
1. AJ
2. AJ
3. JP
4. AJ
5. JP
6. JP
7. AJ
8. AJ
9. JP
10. AJ
11. AJ
12. AJ

Since I've watched the fight a number of times, always on mute, and my card looks like this.

1. JP (close)
2. AJ (close)
3. AJ (close)
4. AJ
5. JP (close)
6. JP
7. AJ
8. AJ
9. AJ
10. AJ
11. AJ
12. AJ Joshua wins 117-111

The second half of the fight was impressive stuff from Joshua. Snapping back Parker's head back with the jab consistently and taking back very little in return. I respect scoring the fight anywhere between 118-110 and 116-112.

For the people who didn't see it in that range, which round of my card do you most strongly disagree with? I'll rewatch it and give a detailed brake down, but I don't have time to do the full 12 today.

CST80 · Apr 2, 2018

Okay, I rescored it, this time watching the Sky broadcast, wow the Froch ass kissing fest was abhorrent. It was almost as biased as Atlas and Tessitore during the Pac-Horn match. But as with those two, I never let outside influences effect me, I can totally block them out.

Round 1 Joshua 10-9 Very Close
Round 2 Parker 10-9
Round 3 Parker 10-9 Close
Round 4 Joshua 10-9 Very Close
Round 5 Parker 10-9
Round 6 Parker 10-9 Close
Round 7 Parker 10-9 Very Close
Round 8 Joshua 10-9
Round 9 Parker 10-9
Round 10 Joshua 10-9 Close
Round 11 Parker 10-9 Close
Round 12 Joshua 10-9 Close

115-113 Parker

116-112, 114-114 are also fine.

Quite frankly, this is one of those rare occasions where scorecards like this would be perfectly acceptable. Multiple 10/10 rounds wouldn't be a stretch. The fight was that close.
117-115, 116-114, 116-113, 117-117, 116-116, 115-115

The fight was that close, I switched on Rounds 1, 3, 11 and 12.

The first, third and fourth rounds, there's very little landed between, you can barely separate the two, they're as close to even as you can get, it would be acceptable to score all three 10/10. The seventh Joshua didn't land enough up top, Parker slipped many of his jabs, and he was plugging away, hammering AJ to the body off and on throughout the round, it was enough for me to edge it in Parker's direction, its one of the few rounds even Froch had 10/10, that one deserves a rewatch from many of you. I will admit, I was a little distracted by something, (the cellphone, I was ignoring a call) during the last two rounds yesterday, and didn't concentrate as much as I should have, and flat out missed the last few seconds of the 12th, which is where AJ did his best work, so I got that one wrong, but it was still fairly close with Parker doing some decent body work.

That being said, my original score, aside from the 11th and 12th is perfectly fine as well.

KingFury64 · Apr 2, 2018

TheyDontBoxNoMore7 said: ↑

Rd 1: AJ 10-9

Rd 2: AJ 20-18

Rd 3: AJ 30-27

Rd 4: AJ 40-36

Rd 5: AJ 50-45
Joshua landed a solid left hook and a few hard jabs. Parker was given credit for a missed right hand. Other than flashy work, he was not effective. Even while he chased AJ across the ring at a brief period of the round.

Rd 6: AJ 60-54
Parker is once again getting credit for ineffective work. Another chase sequence where AJ goes backward and makes it look like Parker is doing more but upon review, AJ still lands the better punches like a counter right sweep over Parker’s left hook before intervention from the ref. Parker’s best shot was a right hook/uppercut under AJ’s right armpit. AJ landed 2 nice right hands and a few clean jabs throughout the round. Also a couple of nice body shots. Left hook-right hook combination.

Rd 7: Parker 64-69
Parker’s body work and fighting out of the clinch gave him the slight razor thin edge in this round. AJ’s jab peppered throughout this round was almost just as effective.

Rd 8: AJ 78-74
AJ’s most dominant round thus far. Lands good left hooks throughout the round. Lands nice solid jabs. Parker literally did nothing this round. AJ gets credit for a missed right uppercut that did not land by observers. This was the clearest round up to this point. Very one sided.

Rd 9: AJ 88-73
****ty round for both. AJ at least landed clean jabs throughout.

Rd 10: AJ 98-82
Pretty self explanatory round. AJ finally lands a clean right uppercut for once. Nice right hand, left hook-right elbow combination opens cut on Parker’s left eye. Parker did land some body shots. AJ pays them no mind.

Rd 11: AJ 108-91
AJ getting the better of Parker.

Rd 12: AJ- 118-110

Anyone having this a draw or Parker winning. Go to an eye doctor ASAP and have someone take you because you’re clinically blind.
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These people also had Lacy beating Calzaghe by 1 point.........but they`re not biased.

CST80 · Apr 2, 2018

KingFury64 said: ↑

These people also had Lacy beating Calzaghe by 1 point.........but they`re not biased.
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Actually I had Calzaghe beating Lacy by shutout wise ass, and beating Hopkins by 3 or 4 rounds, so take your accusations of bias and stick them up your ass.

KingFury64 · Apr 2, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

Actually I had Calzaghe beating Lacy by shutout wise ass, and beating Hopkins by 3 or 4 rounds, so take your accusations of bias and stick them up your ass.
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You American??

CST80 · Apr 2, 2018

KingFury64 said: ↑

You American??
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As mother****ing Apple Pie.

KingFury64 · Apr 2, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

Actually I had Calzaghe beating Lacy by shutout wise ass, and beating Hopkins by 3 or 4 rounds, so take your accusations of bias and stick them up your ass.
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Parker, Barry and even Higgins accept Parker didn`t win you should too. lol

You REALLY don`t like Anthony Joshua do you

I know there`s a crack epidemic over there!! lol

CST80 · Apr 2, 2018

KingFury64 said: ↑

Parker, Barry and even Higgins accept Parker didn`t win you should too. lol

You REALLY don`t like Anthony Joshua do you

I know there`s a crack epidemic over there!! lol
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Grow up, learn to score, and stop being a nasty c***. Oh, one more thing. One more nationalistic thread from you, and I'll ban you for a month.

DynamicMoves · Apr 2, 2018

Realized I never posted my score.
Round 1 Parker 10-9
Round 2 Parker 10-9
Round 3 Joshua 10-9
Round 4 Joshua 10-9
Round 5 Parker 10-9
Round 6 Parker 10-9
Round 7 Parker 10-9
Round 8 Joshua 10-9
Round 9 Parker 10-9
Round 10 Joshua 10-9
Round 11 Parker 10-9
Round 12 Joshua 10-9

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