You do know Joshua has been consulting heavily with Wladamir Klitschko right?

No it’s fair enough and I suppose you can only beat what’s there in front of you,kinda like Golovkins run as Middleweight champ.

 

Ergo Wilder is the greatest by implication (because nothing remotely similar has ever happened to him in 40 fights), I hear you dude....

 

Looks the forum has a new nob to add to the list,grow up for f***s sake.

 

Lol how many times has Wilder lost? Wait he never lost as a pro. Doesn't mean he is good because he has fought nobody. But at least the nobodies he faced then knock him out 3 times like they did Wlad. Didn't know you could hear me since I am only typing.

 

And that was on a good day lol

 

True , and in a weak era , you should be looking impressive against undermatched opponents like Golovkin was.

 

I think if anything Tyson Furey showed how mentally weak Wlad was.

 

Well, like Tua beat Byrd? LOL Against Byrd Tua was in MUCH better shape than against Lewis. He was 28 y.o. and his weight was 12 lbs lower than in Lewis fight.

 

I do rate Vitali higher, he was the more skilled of the two brothers but Wlad was the better natural athlete. Being a better athlete doesn't make you the better fighter, old Wlad is a far better athlete than Fury on PED's but Fury still beat him.

 

How Lennox Lewis went 10 rounds against glass-jawed bum Levi Billups and couldn't even hurt him? The same Levi Billups, who was brutally KTFOed in the FIRST round by Corrie Sanders, shot Tim Witherspoon, Jereamy Williams and light-hitting cruiserweight Orlin Norris.

Everett Martin had a very good chin unlike Live Billups. Martin went the distance against Foreman and Hide and beat 32-years-old Tim Witherspoon by SD. 39-years-old Witherspoon has knocked out Levi Billups cold in the first round. Also Martin went the distance against Moorer, and Moorer knocked out Levi Billups in the third round.

 

I don't think Wlad was mentally weak, he don't stay on top for a decade by being mentally fragile, Fury imploding after the win showed he was the mentally weaker fighter.

Wlad though wasn't the smartest fighter in the ring and lacked the instincts of a great fighter. He gassed twice in the ring, most people learn from their first big mistake but he repeated his mistakes vs Brewster. He also needed to lose 3 times before he learned to make the changes he needed. Steward basically did Wlad's thinking for him. Showed him what he needed to do to win, but when Fury exposed the weakness in that style he lacked the ring smarts to adjust on the fly, it takes a real intelligent boxer to not only alter tactics/strategy mid fight but to come up with a plan B when needed.

 

You mean like Vital beat Byrd? Wait he didn't also Tua was out of shape against Byrd. Tua was still out of shape not matter how you look at it. Just because he was in better shape doesn't mean he wasn't still out of shape. Also what does Tua vs Lewis, or Tua vs Byrd have to do with Wlad? Nobody considers Tua a all time great and in any case as I said anybody could lose a fight. But all time greats don't get knocked out by 3 low level fighters. Tua was never knocked out in his career period.

 

Everett Martin couldn't take a 40 year old slow Foreman's power yet a could handle Wlad's power 9 years later? Did Lewis get beat by Levi Billups? If you want to use that logic how did Wlad do against glass chin Davarryl Williamson? He struggled with a glass chin fighter, couldn't hurt him and got knocked down by that glass chin fighter with one punch I believe.

Wlad took 7 rounds to beat a washed up Hasim Rahman in a title fight which is funny in 2 ways. Why was Wlad fighting Rahman in a title fight (Then you realize that is what Wlad did to keep his belt to long. Fight bums). Then why did it take so long to stop him.

No fighter has a 100 percent knockout rate. Lewis lost to a prime version of Rahman and McCall. Rahman was never anything special so losing to him is a embarrassment. But Rahman is better than Corrie Sanders , Lamon Brewster, and Ross Purrity.

 

Okay then if Miller, Breazeale, Kownacki, Whyte, H.Fury are not green, what makes them better than the fighters I mentioned?

I say this as none of the above have truly proved their worth.

And I'm not a fan boy in anyway shape, Wlad is a top 10 ATG heavyweight, have there been better? Of course but he is still elite and I'd hazard a guess that of Wlad had fought Whyte, Breazeale, Kownacki, H.Fury etc you'd have called them BUMS aswell.

The fact I've seen you championing Wilder on here yet constantly criticise Wlad is laughable.

 

Well how come Hopkins couldn't?