Anthony Oluwafemi Joshua vs. Joseph Dennis Parker - the standalone IB RBR scorecard.

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  1. TheChinaChin

    TheChinaChin New Member Full Member

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    Having rewatched this round I still strongly believe this is a clear Joshua round. He lands clean jabs which knock back Parker's head on multiple occasions. Parker lands to the head only on a few occasions and they were not clean scoring blows. With the exception of one right hand all of Parker's body shots are in the clinch. I personally give less credit to these types of shots when scoring.
     
  2. Boxing Brit

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    The biggest thing was it was a chess match. Parker had to get inside AJ Jab to be offensive and couldn’t.

    When he did the ref jumped in but in the early rounds this effected Parker more than AJ but AJ was more effected in the later rounds because of the ref.

    Whilst the scorecards where wide, any given person on any given day could argue from AJ 1 round to AJ 10 rounds up, its subjective. Parker didn’t do enough and AJ didn’t have to because Parker needed to initiate the fight because of AJ reach and Jab.
     
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  3. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great scoring IB and CST! Unfortunately AJ got the win... Better luck next time :)
    You are free to use Parker as AJ's Castillo 10 years from now :dunno
     
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  4. Work the body

    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just watched it again and I have to agree this fight was a lot close than the judges scored it. Parker was dodging most a lot of Joshua’s punches IMO. Most of those jabs weren’t even landing. Not saying Parker was landing anything particularly effective either but those score cards are way too wide.

    I was watching it in a packed bar with quite a few beers down me which is not something I usually do as I normally just watch it by myself in front of the TV so watching it with a clear head showed me a bit of a different fight
     
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  5. effigy

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    I rewatched this today, mainly as it's a Bank Holiday and there's nothing to watch at all. The fight is definitely a let down from an offensive stand point, but defensively it was actually a pretty good display from both. There's a glut of swinging and missing from Parker, and little output from AJ, who seems content to now rely nearly exclusively on the jab.

    R1: AJ ( Super Close - fine with 10-10 or Parker )
    R2: Parker ( Super Close again )
    R3: AJ ( Close )
    R4: AJ
    R5: Parker
    R6: Parker ( Clearest for me for Parker )
    R7: AJ
    R8: AJ ( Clearest for me for AJ )
    R9: Parker
    R10: AJ
    R11: AJ
    R12: AJ

    116-112

    Someone pointed out on here that AJ has changed after the Wlad fight, I can definitely see that, I don't think AJ will be an attacking fighter now after nearly getting KO'd, I expect that unless pushed there'll be plenty dull fights from AJ.

    I've no problem with people having it closer, when two guys seldom engage for 36 minutes, peoples weighting of an individual punch or two can really swing a fight. Scoring this fight is the complete opposite of scoring say Ike-Tua.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    First, props to IB for a very detailed, semi-scientific analysis of a very unscientific process...the process of scoring fights.

    Second, I've noticed several Brit posters admit their prejudice for Joshua was probably because they were listening to Sky which apparently was very pro Joshua. I was listening to Showtime which was very objective IMO. Even that dirty red commie poster Jeremy Corbin has revised his score after re-watching the bout on Showtime.

    As IB noted above, I had it 3-1 Parker after 4 rounds. During the RBR I saw several guys with Joshua ahead 4-0.
    NO WAY was Joshua ahead that much. OK if you had it 2-2, but not 4-0.

    I gave every close round to Parker and scored the bout 7-5 Parker. If you gave every close round to Joshua you maybe had him ahead 7-5 or 8-4. How anyone can score it 10-2 AJ is insane. Personally I didn't see the end result as a "robbery" due to the close nature of the fight (no one obviously beating up on the other guy, no knockdowns) but I see that everyone understands the 118-110 Byrd-like scores were OUTRAGEOUS.
     
  7. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    Rewatched this earlier on mute as I could only get the sky stream:

    1 - 10-9 AJ Close
    2 - 9-10 Parker, not sure how many of his body shots were landing due to some camera angles.
    3 - 10-9 AJ
    4 - 10-9 AJ
    5 - 9-10 Parker, this round was closer than I remembered it being.
    6 - 9-10 Parker
    7 - 10-10
    8 - 10-9 AJ
    9 - 9-10 Parker (closer than I remember
    10 - 10-9 AJ
    11 - 10-9 AJ
    12 - 10-9 AJ

    116-113

    Some of the rounds I could see being given 10-10 or even to Parker, who was far more successful when going to the body and when he pushed the tempo.

    Ref was also garbage and the tape was frustrating, felt AJ could of done more but got the W at the end of the day.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Interesting. We're in the same neighborhood, a round off from each other in the final tally but got there via different routes.

    We diverged on the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 11th, with Joshua getting two rounds on your card that he didn't on mine and Parker getting 3 on yours that I gave Joshua.

    ...and I'm not the least bit surprised to see the scoring array like this across different cards. Most of these rounds were that close. :thumbsup:
     
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  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I thought it was a damn good fight overall
    Two guys actually thinking in the ring, trying to set traps, dealing with an idiot for a ref, back and forth battle of wits and not boring IMO.
    My card was 115-113 AJ but there were many tight rounds where you could see either guy being awarded the round.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I gave up trying to score it after I became preoccupied with counting the punches they both missed instead of the smattering that actually did land.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    As predicted, there is nearly as much whining from the peanut gallery as last time I did an ex post facto standalone RBR thread:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...saúl-Álvarez-at-last-ibs-official-rbr.599949/

    Álvarez fans were ripping into my analysis despite it being complimentary of his performance and putting him within spitting distance of victory against the #1 middleweight in the world. (there was also some grumbling from extremist Golovkin fans who maybe wanted to see me have it wider for him, but these were drowned out by the more boisterous minority of fanatically pro-Canelo voices)

    Now here, we have Joshua fans ripping into my analysis despite it telling a narrative of him overcoming an early deficit to successfully defend his title on my card by dominating the second half and stepping on the gas pedal as Parker's stamina, bellicosity, and self-confidence all waned. (there are those who scored it more generously than I for Parker, but again, their disagreements skew towards more civil and there's really just one faction getting themselves worked up into a snit)
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Why do you hate defense? :xqw
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I hate everything in boxing except seeing glass-jawed fighters getting sparked out cold in brutal fashion. Everything else pales in comparison. The only thing that even comes remotely close is a good old Clenbuterol bust.
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So what I'm hearing is that a Jason Litzau vs. Eduard Troyanovsky fight announcement would cause a sudden involuntary fit of passive onanism in your drawers?
     
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  15. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lots of close rounds I can see going the other way.