Tyson Fury one of the most talented heavyweights ever?

Watch a film study on head movement on youtube, how many punches did Fury slip, he was out of range while moving his head, Ali was much better at slipping shots.

 

He did v Morrison and Stewart.

 

Fury was in no way mentally prepared having only 24 fights to cope with being on a world wide stage that massive. Any fighter would , and many did , crumble under the pressure of being part of such a huge gut wrenching event.
Fury walked into Wlads back yard and made him look like an out of town jasper. Fact.

 

Fury's also a genetic freak which allows him to employ such an awkward style. He's got skills yes but it's his crazy size which makes him such a difficult proposition.

 

On a side note Manny Steward also said Oba Carr was the most talented fighter he ever trained so sometimes great trainers can judge fighters all wrong, he even said Hamed punched harder than Lennox Lewis!

 

Shulz

 

Oba Carr was talented. And he likely said that around 1990 for promotional purposes. He had no affiliation with Fury so had no reason to say it if he didn't believe it.

 

Fury's best attribute is his footwork by far. At that size it's a gift, take a look at similar sized fighters footwork and it's like night and day. The rest is down to his size, it's what makes him such a unique opponent, his jab and head movement are decent, sure, but it's coupled with his size that makes them good.

 

Doesn't change the fact that past 39 year old heavyweight champions lost to far inferior opponents than Fury. If Fury can come back and do something impressive, then he'll prove his worth. Otherwise, he is relatively unproven.

 

Your logic is silly. Does Calzaghe not get credit for beating Hopkins? Every fighter is different, every fighter ages differently. Wlad was unified champion when Fury beat him, unbeaten in ten years. Past him prime undoubtedly, but the best heavyweight in the world. It's a fantastic win. You're a hater.

 

Can't grasp the fact his wife was in the hospital with post depression, means nothing to you ?
That's entirely the reason wlad was Ill prepared physically and totally unfit to compete mentally

 

No, I'm just holding everyone to the same standard. If you want to give Tyson Fury so much credit for beating a 39 year old, past his best champion. I'm going to also have to see Tyson Fury at age 39, beat the next / future best heavyweight in the world that is 10+ years younger. Otherwise, Fury deserves very little credit!

Fury deserves no more credit for beating a 39 year old Wlad than Danny Williams does for beating a 38/39 year old Mike Tyson. Or James Toney does for beating a 39 year old Evander Holyfield. Or Trever Berbick does for beating Muhammad Ali.

Just holding everyone to the same standard! It'd be unfair for me to give me Fury extra credit than others.

 

That's irrelevant and doesn't answer the question

(Question is about natural talent, not greatness of the career)

 

Based off what? His win over Wlad? Good win. So was Buster Douglas over tyson, where he looked incredible. And had Douglas retired immediately after, no one would be mentioning him amongst the most skilled ever based off one outstanding performance. Neither should Fury be in the discussion unless he comes back from the fat farm and puts together some more high level wins against the best opposition.