Would Wilder have matched Holmes unbeaten run if he fought Larry`s opposition?

Yeah, I think Wilder could beat S.T. Gordon and Carl Williams and Tony Larosa and Bernardo Mercado, Buster, Rahman, etc., nearly all the "stellar" cast that knocked off Berbick.

Hell, George Chaplin arguably beat Greg Page twice before Berbick did ... and then every other name beat Page as well. Page wasn't much, when all was said and done.

Neither was Berbick.

You can add up all of Berbicks title fights, all of Page's title fights, all of Pinklon Thomas' title fights, all of Carl Williams' title fights, all of Witherspoon's title fights, all of Buster's title fights ...

And Wilder's got more wins in title fights than all of them COMBINED.

 

Yeah, Shavers never got hit.

A defensive master Earnie was.

How many 6'7" guys did Earnie knock out? Especially 6'7" guys who hit as hard or harder than he did?

I loved Earnie Shavers. But it's a short night for Earnie, and he isn't on the winning end.

 

At his best, Carl Williams was floored TWICE by James Quick Tillis.

At his best, Carl Williams was knocked out by Mike Weaver in two rounds.

At his best, Carl Williams was floored by Jesse Ferguson and was nearly out.

At his best, Carl Williams was blown out in 90 seconds by Mike Tyson.

Carl Williams wouldn't have a prayer against Deontay Wilder.

 

Better yet ...

Look at Buster rubbing his nose on the floor against Holyfield,

Look at Rahman laying outside the ring or crumpled in the corner after being stopped in TWO FIGHTS against Oleg Maskaev,

Look at Tim Witherspoon looking for his missing front tooth after being down three times against Bonecrusher only 90 seconds after the first bell ran ...

And explain to me how those freaking guys handle Wilder's power that leaves people convulsing on the floor and getting carried out of the ring on a stretcher.

I'll wait.

 

Wilder would give Rahman a bigger head growth than Evander Holyfield did tbh.

 

I doubt he gets past Roy Tiger Williams

 

Wilder doesn't suck at all.

That's the point you don't seem to get.

And I'm supposed to explain to you how he beats freaking Buster Douglas? He punches Buster Douglas. And Buster Douglas goes down and doesn't get up.

Buster got knocked out by Mike "The Giant" White. Buster Douglas drew with Steffan "Freaking" Tangstead. Buster Douglas got outhustled and lost to Jesse "BoogieMan" Ferguson. Buster Douglas was leading Tony Tucker and quit because his dad yelled at him too much. Buster Douglas went down from the first hard punch he took in his first title defense because he was upset about how his purse was being split up. Buster Douglas had such poor self-esteem he ate himself into a diabetic coma. Buster Douglas got knocked out in a round by Louis Monaco but it happened a fraction of a second after the bell so it didn't count, and he refused to continue even after 10 minutes of rest ... against a total nobody. Buster Douglas got wasted by Lou Savarese.

Meanwhile, Deontay Wilder has knocked out every man he's faced. When he broke his hand in his first title fight, Wilder didn't panic or quit or freak out ... he boxed his way to a decision. When Deontay Wilder broke his hand and tore his bicep IN ONE title defense (that required two surgeries to repair) he didn't quit in his corner (which A TON of fighters have done for less) ... he came out and scored the KO win. Deontay Wilder is ALWAYS IN SHAPE. ALWAYS. But then, before his last bout, Deontay Wilder lost 15 pounds due to the flu. He was scheduled to face his most dangerous opponent. Instead of calling it off, or collapsing, or blaming a loss on an illness, he engaged in a total war and scored a monster KO win.

The difference between sensitive, frightened, overeating, mental cases like Buster Douglas and always-fit, ALWAYS GOING FOR THE KO WIN, ALWAYS giving people their money's worth Deontay Wilder ... ARE WIDER than the Grand Canyon.

And you want me to compare "style points."

If you honestly believe someone like Buster Douglas beats Deontay Wilder, you have NO IDEA what's involved in the sport of boxing.

 

I lose respect for you with each post you make in this thread.

Roy Williams lost to RICHARD DUNN.

I'll go with Wilder.

 

When it comes to this thread and this thread only the feelings are mutual.

 

I've made a lot of bad picks in my day, but I'm going to pull this thread back up soon and marvel at you picking Carl Williams and Roy Tiger Williams to beat Wilder.

How about Danny Williams? Want to add him, too?

 

When it comes to Wilder yes!
You can also add
Billy Dee William's
Pharrell William's
Brian William's
Tennessee William's
That's what I think of Wilder

 

I wasn't aware Trevor Berbick lost to Tokyo Douglas.

So now it's Wilder against everyone who beat Berbick ... but not when they fought Berbick ... but instead on the one night when they were the best they could possibly be and were never that good ever again ... THAT PERSON against "any" version of Wilder?

Is that what we're doing now?

I'm about done with this discussion with you.

I can't put it any clearer.

Wilder beats Douglas. Wilder beats "Mike the GIant White" Douglas, "Steffan Tangstead" Douglas, "Jesse Ferguson" Douglas, "Tony Tucker" Douglas, "Evander Holyfield" Douglas, "Louis" Monaco" Douglas, "Lou Savarese" Douglas, "Trevor Berbick" Douglas, "Greg Page" Douglas, "WImpy Halstead" Douglas, "Oliver McCall" Douglas ... and if "Tokyo" Douglas shows up ... but Deontay Wilder is still 6'7" tall and not 5'11" like Mike Tyson ... Buster Douglas isn't landing the jab like he did on a short guy standing right in front of him ... "Tokyo" Douglas is going to have to reach to land ... like he did when he got knocked out by Evander ... and Buster's going to get punched in the face by Wilder and he's going to get knocked out by Wilder.

Got it?

Because I'm all done with this for today.

 

I just watched Joshua - Parker right now. This was another level than Wilder beeing behind on points vs Ortiz or beeing an easy target. He did not look good vs Washington too. Maybe he just don´t wants to use his jab.

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Cooney, Witherspoon, Smith might finish this. Ortiz does not put good punches together while Wilder beeing hurt anyway....

 

You could do the same thing with Snipes and Holmes though. And Ortiz is better than Snipes.

 

Wilder has enough power in his right hand to stop most on the Holmes title run. But let’s not forget he’s gotta A. Land the KO shot and B. Take what’s coming back his way. Holmes didn’t fight bums.

Norton would slam hooks in to Wilder’s body, unless he’s gets clipped by the cross he could stop Wilder. 50/50 fight.

Shavers has the power to KO Wilder with one shot or be taken out early by one as well, that would be a fun one. Another 50/50

Cooney - Wilder would be fun two big punchers, Cooney had serious power and wasn’t a guy to fold after one shot. This would be a good one. 60/40 Wilder.

Mike Weaver, supremely conditioned, good puncher, a little chiny sometimes but dangerous when hurt. Took big bombs from Coetzee and kept coming. Really pushed Holmes hard, very rugged guy. I’ll take Weaver here.

Bonecrusher had a very good chin and a BIG PUNCH sort of slow and not the most polished but neither is Deontay, this would be fun sorta like Smith vs Ruddock. 60/40 Wilder.

Witherspoon. Spoon had a great chin (outside of the 2nd Smith fight) he DOMINATED smith in their first fight. He’s crafty, has a good defense, and really cracks hard with the right hand. I’ll take him to stop Wilder. Spoon KO7.

Now yes you can look up these guys and say things like Spoon lost to Everet Martin or Smith lost to Broad. But usually there is something to each story. Yes Broad beat Smith In Bonecrushers Pro Debut, Broad had a good amateur career, Smith didn’t.
Yes Spoon lost to Martin in the 90s but that was how Tim fought hot and cold there is a reason he was avoided even in the 90s by the top Heavyweights. Weaver had sort of a Rocky Balboa career early losing to guys early on that he would’ve dominated once he found his groove and became a champion. It’s all about context you can dig up losses on all these fighters records to point fingers at. Yes Carl Williams lost to Jerry Sliceman Jones when he was well past his best. But he also probably should’ve gotten the decision against Holmes and dominated guys like Berbick, he took out a Prime red hot at the time Bert Cooper came off the deck to beat dangerous guys (at that time) like Ferguson (dropped twice but rose to stop Jesse) and Tillis. I’m a Wilder fan and he absolutely has an Eraser but there is a reason that what Holmes did isn’t done very often.