Top 15 middleweights of all time

Shame we'll never know who's right

 

"Quite naturally", as Sugar Ray Leonard was prone to say, I believe Fitz in a middleweight rd robin would beat and KO more MIDDLEWEIGHTS than any other man in history.

 

Because he KO'd who at middleweight? it's quite possible he became more deadly a puncher as he rose in weight. It certainly is more provable.

 

He was a deadly puncher his entire career!. He DESTROYED the great Jack Dempsey and all he fought at heavy he was in the 160s. He was the hardest puncher pfp in history and took the great punishment meeted out by as savage a mittsmith as Jeffries. HE WAS A MIDDLEWEIGHT!#!! I'd like to see Hagler go 15 with Jeffries, utterly destry Sharkey and Choynski, Stand up to the great Corbett, while a middleweight

 

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He was not quite the prodigious KO'er as a middle that he later became. And being in the 160's does not a middleweight make. Being 160 (or at sometimes 158) and below makes a middleweight. By your logic, Ward and Calzaghe should be considered in the argument. Fitz just doesn't have a deep resume at middle. Jim Hall is probably his second best pelt and that is not saying much. There is a whole lot more substance to the middleweight careers of later fighters.

 

Hopkins has trouble with speed. Jacobs could have beaten him.

GGG (35) was past his prime fighting a PED fuled Canelo and outlanded him in 10 of 12 rounds. He was robbed. Hopkins would not beat Canelo with Oscars judges either. He might lose!

I see the lessons from CST80 are helping a bit.

 

Good post.
The criticisms against Zale and Cerdan are only valid to an extent, if we ignore the fact of ww2.

 

Wrong , you don't become past prime at 34 unless you've a had a hard career full of tough fights. Golovkin has had an easy carer full of cheese puffs so he is still prime now.

Mayweather was two years older than him when he fought and shut Canelo out so there goes that petty excuse down the drain.

Also , you refuse to allow Lewis have the age excuse against Vitali when he was 3 months shy of 39. Try hypocrisy and double standards..

Hopkins would tear Canelo to pieces in a non-competitive fight.. Canelo is too flat footed , his work rate is too low and his stamina is too weak to compete with MW Hopkins.

Wasn't Hopkins 40 when he lost to Taylor? But you hold that against him while making excuses for GGG at the age of 35?? Pathetic.

 

I would suggest that GGG is a great middleweight, but not an all time great. No problem with him in the top 50, 40, 30... 20 at a push. But top five or ten? Let's not get carried away, gentlemen.

 

There's a good argument to say the establishment of a solid 168 division and the 154 division have greatly diminished the quality in the 160 division.
That's partly why guys like Hopkins and Golovkin can dominate for so long yet still have deep question marks on the quality of their challengers.

 

Hopkins had trouble with speedy boxers, Suzie. Hopkins To shut out Jacobs?! Um no. If you understand how styles make fights, Hopkins might lose here.

Abbreviated version. Speedy boxers that are hard to hit cleanly usually beat slower defensive counter punchers without world class power.

I’m at A convention center for the week, but you should know a Ring magazine panel feels GGG is better than Hopkins. The panel was made up of media people, trainers, match makers and historians.

>>> A quick case for GGG. Undefeated. All time power@160. All time chin @160, all time jab @ 160. Count the title defenses, who has more! Beat top opponts past his prime. Currently number one on Ring Magazines pound for pound list.

Not placing GGG in the top 15 is either dishonest or uniformed. I could easily shoot multiple holes for most on any list, showing he belongs.

 

There is a big difference between 35 and 38. Boxers of GGG’s style have shorter primes. This is known. Ask the board if a fighter can be past his prime at age 35, otherwise withdraw your remark.

Mayweather would never fight GGG. Keep up the good work, you make my replies very easy.