Is Povetkin's bad luck in getting title shot a result of him ducking Wlad for years?

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, karma is a b1tch, isn't it? Povetkin must know it better than anybody else in boxing. He has become a mandatory challenger for WBC title in May 2015 after demolishing Mike Perez. And he still hadn't fought for the title since then. But if we look in the past, what we will see? We will see, that Povetkin had a lot of opportunities to challenge Wladimir Klitschko for his titles. He has become a mandatory challenger for his WBA title in January 2008. The fight was planned to take a place in December 2008, but what did Povetkin? He pulled out claiming a leg injury. He could have tried to make that fight later but he adandoned his WBA mandatory status instead.

    Then, while waiting for Wad to decline, Povetkin has become a mandatory challenger by IBF. Klitschko team won purse bid and planned to stage this fight on September 9, 2010, in Germany. Yet Povetkin didn't come to press conference and pulled out from this fight this time without any reason. He was relinquished of his mandatory status by IBF for this blatant duck and Samuel Peter was installed as a new IBF mandatory challenger instead of him. Povetkin waited 3 more years to fight Wlad, and when Klitschko started to show signs of decline, Povetkin finally agreed to fight 37 years and 7 months old Wlad. But he still got his ass kicked badly albeit in ugly fight.

    So, my question for you, Povetkin's fans: when Sasha was waiting for Wlad to decline for 4+ years, he was a good and fair guy, and when/if Wilder (and now Joshua) are waiting for him to decline, they are bad and unfair?
     
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  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin's bad luck stems from being in an era, where he had to content with ATG Wladimir Klitshcko and other elite / top giant super heavyweights (6 foot 4+ inches in height and 240+ pounds in weight). There's no shame in that! He was never going to be the absolute best in such heavyweight eras anyway to begin with. Nor would any other boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. Anyone who thought he would, are / were totally wrong to begin with and are probably delusional!

    Being a top 5 heavyweight I guess is as good of an accomplishment Povetkin could've possibly ever acheived, considering his physical limitations. I don't see any other short heavyweight in the last decade having a more successful career at heavyweight. So for that alone, he gets my due respect and credit.
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but it still doesn't make his blatant ducking of Wlad less shameful
     
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  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin should never have fought Wladimir Klitschko in the first place. The dude's a bloody midget / ant, compared to Wladimir Klitschko. The size discrepancy is as great as the size difference between Sergey Kovalev and Manny Pacquiao. Or maybe even greater. But very few people would ever want them two to fight each other and most will complain the size difference is too much when it comes to them. But when it comes to a small heavyweight vs a giant super heavyweight, people have no problem accepting it as if it was a legitimate and a credible match up. Logic is lost!

    Wladimir Klitschko already has an insurmountable advantage in size compared to Povetkin. I don't see why Povetkin having only an age advantage by being just a few years younger is supposed to be so 'shameful'.

    Maybe it's shameful that Wladimir Klitschko couldn't totally squash the astronomically smaller sized Povetkin like a bug? Why couldn't he, since he had such a significant size advantage?
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It was Teddy Atlas held that Povetkin back against Wlad claiming he wasn't ready. Povetkin got rid of him soon after and then sought out Wlad as the WBA mandatory.
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And if Povetkin by your estimation is the best 6'2'' HW in the history of sport (you said it in another thread), why prime 34 y.o. Povetkin was far less competetive against 37 y.o. Klitchko than 37 y.o. washed up Holyfield was against 34 y.o. Lewis? Is Wlad THAT much better than Lewis in your opinion, or Holyfield might be a better, more skilled fighter than Povetkin?
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad is much better than Lennox Lewis in my opinion. You're correct! And Povetkin at least never lost to the likes of Larry Donald, John Ruiz, middleweight James Toney and Chris Byrd. Losing to an all time great once is far better than having multiple losses to journeymen / non all time greats.

    And I think Povetkin is the best heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    you are talking about weight difference.

    You are ignoring proportions, which is the basis for the weight classes. You think weight classes are arithmetic progressions. They arent, as they go up, they get larger in range to match proportions. This would explain a lot of your posts, now I think about it - you completely ignore reality of what is there in front of you concerning weight classes.
     
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  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    He didn't fight Wladimir for a while because Wladimir was too good for him.

    Joshua/Wilder/Parker/Haye/Stiverne didn't fight Povetkin because Povetkin was and is too good for them.
     
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  10. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    True.
     
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  11. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep full circle.
     
  12. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    And wlad 3:16 said "i just whooped your ass"
     
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  13. JacobEr

    JacobEr Member Full Member

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    But from a financial point of view Wlad should be grateful to Povetkin, he earned $17,4 million, if this this fight happened earlier, then Wlad certainly would have earned less.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I don't think contenders can be accused of "ducking" champions.

    If a contender refuses to take a fight with the champion that's a compliment to the champion. The contender is admitting he's not ready to step up and challenge the champion. It only boosts the champion's standing.

    Ducking is when a champion avoids a contender.
     
  15. BCS8

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    OK, whoah, Povetkin DID fight Klitschko and got a whalloping. An unfair beating, some would say, given the way the ref allowed Wlad to tie him up tighter than Oscar's fishnet stockings. I like both these guys, but when Wlad turns it into a snorefest by grabbing the opponent every two seconds, he becomes a painful fighter to watch.