AJ making Wilder an offer

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  1. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It will but what kind of figure are we saying US PPV's will be? The problem I see is there is no real estimate of how much money is generated by US PPV buys.
     
  2. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting, from my research he made more for Whyte than against Martin (a champion),
    and Braezale and Eric Molina then (those fights were all 1.5-3 million range) and those were all
    fights after Whyte. That actually goes more towards my point of Wilder being able to command 35-40%
    which I personally think will be the strike and agreed amount for this fight. Parker doesn't have the
    capital that Wilder has, so the fact that he got 33% almost IMO guarantees Wilder will get between
    35-40%. He'll get more than Parker because there's a far bigger demand for this fight.

    Ultimately, no one disputes Joshua is gonna get the lion's share, I think Wilder's amount that he
    ends up with is gonna surprise a lot of people

    As he should, he's an Olympic champion
     
  3. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What Wilder made in prior fights is irrelevant. You conveniently dissregard the synergy and the buzz that Wilder brings to this fight with AJ. It’s the same reason Golovkin turned down Cenlo’s flat fee.

    AJ is scared of a fight that he feels is unpredictable. All of his opponents have that same attribute: a predictable style in the ring. Something that he can thoroughly prepare for and know what’s coming at him.

    AJ does not know what’s coming when he steps in with Wilder. Wilder is unorthodox, unpredictable and almost impossible to prepare for. Add his length, reflexes and that God given power and you can see why Hearn hasn’t made this fight.

    Flat fee, FOH.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    15 mill would be 7.1 times more than he's ever made before. But he should get a percentage not a flat fee. Though so far all we have are rumours of what's been offered, we have nothing official from either side saying what has been offered.

    But if it's true then it makes me think that Hearn isn't serious about wanting the fight next, he still wants it later in the year when he thinks it will be a bigger fight and quite frankly I am disappointed if this is true.
     
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  5. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Don't make me laugh

    40% is MASSIVELY overpaying Wilder considering he has absolutely no fan base, has never headlined a PPV show, makes about 10% of the purses Joshua brings in.

    He's also not considered the champion in the division, AJ is the champion. Wilder is a paper titlist who has only fought 1 good opponent in 10 years of being a pro..and even vs him got battered from pillar to post.

    Wilder needs to get in line and accept his place here as the contender and take what's given to him.
     
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  6. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

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    What, AJ is making Wilder an offer and not the other way around!?

    Who ever would have guessed..
     
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  7. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    40% lol

    Why is that everyone else seems to deserve a raise but AJ is expected to take the same.

    What does Wilder bring to the table to which Parker didn't for example?
     
  9. Shearer

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    I struggle to gauge the American interest in this fight. Wilder is not a star but his stock is definatly on the move, poor ticket sales against Ortiz but nation wide there was definatly an increase in people watching on TV. So rising stock and in a fight to become undisputed champion but i really dont know how much it will rise for this fight, it will be an early fight for American fight fans too, not sure how American times work but im guessing early evening West coast and late afternoon Eastcoast? That is likely to be competing against some other major live sports. If he was already a big star he could cope with that but still to be fully established it might be a hard sell. But like i say i struggle to gauge.
     
  10. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly and this is a problem. All we can really do is look how much revenue AJ v Wlad made as well as AJ v Parker and go from that.

    I don't see this fight as generating more revenue than AJ v Wlad and that was a purse split of £30 mil 50/50.
     
  11. Shearer

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    Im holding out hope that its just step 1 and Hearn is just going in cold and hard but ive always felt Joshua wants it more than Hearn does. But then he is a promoter. Also i agree this should be a percentage thing not a flat fee.
     
  12. Brighton bomber

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    Joshua made less than expected vs Martin because they had to over pay to secure the Martin fight. Everyone saw that as an easy title, everyone wanted first crack at a weak champion in Martin. Wilder and Parker all made offers to Martin to try and secure a shot. Hearn paid a reported $8-8.5 mill for that fight as well as giving Haymon options on his first 2 defences believing it was a good investment which it proved to be.

    The difference between Martin and Wilder was that Martin had more leverage, Joshua needed a belt to improve his marketability, now that isn't the case. Joshua has all but one of the belts and is now an established cash cow, whether he fights Wilder or not it won't change much for him in regards to his ability to generate revenue. What it does do is add to his legacy, that's what this fight is for Joshua, it's not a business move or a way to gain legitimacy in the eyes of the pundits and fans, he already has that.

    Joshua is the one with the leverage over Wilder unlike with Joshua/Martin. But that doesn't mean Wilder won't get paid well, he just won't get the lions share like Martin did.
     
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  13. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Correct

    What Martin got paid was an outlier.
     
  14. Brighton bomber

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    That's possible, Higgins said the first offer from Hearn was so ridiculously low that he thought Hearn's email had been hacked and he was sent a fake offer.
     
  15. Blackclouds

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    Rumor is that it's a take it or leave it deal and Hearn not willing to take the same flat fee for the rematch when AJ loses. It's an attempted AJ cashout because he and his team knows Wilder is the end for him.