Why Wilder NOT Taking The Offer Is A Duck

When in a big fight like this has an opponent ever accepted a flat fee? It would be a foolish move to accept this offer when there is the possibility that this fight could make more than expected and earn Wilder and even bigger payday. This is the first offer from Hearn, nobody accepts the first offer.

All this talk of ducking from both sides is tedious and childish. Yes it's a poor offer from Hearn that doesn't mean Hearn is trying to duck the fight, he's just starting the negotiations and nobody gives their best offer the first time. And if Wilder declines this offer and counters with another deal then it isn't a duck, it's simply him negotiating a better deal.

So please give the histrionics a rest it's just embarrassing watching adults argue like a bunch of 5 year olds.

 

The only thing I care about is that this fight doesn't marinate for too long

Other than that, who gives a f*ck about the business side

 

Wilder is just afraid, really afraid...................

 

I understand that Wilder has not been PPV in the US (could be wrong but from what I have read on here) and posters on here have often told me how boxing is dead in the US and that there is no interest.
Yes Joshua would be getting an enormous amount more. He is the money man. He is the man who has won 3 titles, he is the man who has taken the risks to get to that situation.
If the figures are correct. I doubt Joshua would be making more than 8 times his biggest payday which is exactly what Wilder would be making if the figures on these forums are correct?
Since the Joshua/Parker fight, Joshua has more to lose, has added another title. Why would Wilder get the same split as Parker? Joshua had 2 titles to Parkers 1. For Joshua/Wilder, Joshua has 3 titles to Wilders 1. Big difference again, and that big difference is once again because Joshua took the risks and challenges to get in that situation and why he is the money man to such a great degree in this situation

 

Agree, it seems wilders team don't want to make a offer so its all talk. Seems to me Wilder is ducking he too will earn career high pay-day and he wants AJ kind of money it will never happen. If wilders team are so keen they should put up the money themselves and make a offer to AJ. In all this i never once heard Wilders team make an offer. Says a lot his team don't want it unless they get paid a ridiculous amount for 1 title.

 

wilder should accept 12.5 million

 

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...deontay-wilder-fight-has-to-happen-for-boxing

 

12.5 mill is a low ball offer despite still being a **** load of money, That said if hearn won't increase the offer wilder needs to call their bluff and accept it. The chance to beat AJ for all the belts puts him in a better position financially than not taking the fight because of a low offer, let alone would make him the real king.

 

Bingo!

 

Yup.

It is what it is, at the end of the day Wilder has had 4 more years as a pro and the benefit of being an American in the "big money market" yet the fact is he's bringing 25% of the hardware to the table and probably 10% of the audience.

He has NO casual following in the states, his fans are the VERY vocal minority online.

So 25% of the belts, 10% of the fans yet he "deserves" more than 6x his biggest payday because..... why?

 

Also Wilder is being offered more than Parker got but the wilder fans seem tho think he deserves even more.

Why?

Joshua only had 50% of the belts vs Parker

He has 75% now

Wilder deserves LESS of a cut now.

 

It doesn't work like that tho, Its like saying GGG deserves more than Canleo because canelo doesn't even have a belt or billy joe saunders deserves more than canleo because saunders does have a belt.

AJ Vs wilder is the biggest fight than can be currently made in the HW division while tyson fury is out, The fight is far bigger than the parker fight, why do you think all the media talked about was wilder during the parker build up?, everybody was looking past paker talking about the wilder fight for a reason.

Wilder brings to the table the once in a lifetime opportunity to become undisputed HW champion, that holds serious weight, AJ can not make history and do this without wilder, letting this fight slip away and have multiple mandatorys brought down on him next year could destroy a once in a life time chance to do this.

Its not about who deserves what, business NEVER works like that.

 

There is a big difference between the drawing power of Joshua and Golovkin. Massive in fact
Canelo also had a claim to being called a MW champ and was the money fighter, (Not that I like that business of claim to being champ) Wilder doesnt have that claim and isnt the money fighter.
You have answered it here yourself with your Canelo/GGG argument in that Canelo was the money fighter with the fans and the big attraction. With Joshua and Wilder it is even bigger in that Joshua is the money fighter, with the fans and the big attraction and on top of all of that has 3 of the belts and taken the risks to get them

That was because Parker fought AJ before Wilder. Parker would have been mentioned as the big fight if Joshua/wilder had of happened because it is the 4th title.
It is a bigger fight, once again because of what Joshua has done (winning yet another title and taking the risk)
Joshua has more to lose again in this fight with yet another title whereas Wilder has no more than usual

Joshua has far more claim in the brings the once in a lifetime opportunity comment. Wilder has one title. Joshua has 3. It is a bigger opportunity for Wilder than Joshua in that Wilder can win 3 titles in one scoop, whereas Joshua can only win one and would have had to have fought 4 fights to get all titles instead of 2 for Wilder.
3 titles to 1 as well as the risks to get those titles and being the money fighter. You gave a perfect example with your opening paragraph to answer it yourself

Business works exactly like that. You get paid what you bring to the table and what you can offer. You dont pay for what you dont need or want and one team brings 75% of what is there to be won, as well as the bigger crowd, the bigger revenue, the hard work to get to that position

 

Its not about who has more claim to anything AJ can NOT become undisputed champion without going through wilder and that is wilders trump card, it trumps everything else and that's the point.

You said AJ has more belts thus deserves a bigger split, i pointed out GGG having more belts getting a less split, That is the point, the point isn't about canleo still being the bigger name the point is the belts alone doesn't automatically mean a bigger split, neither dose more fans etc, they are all just pieces to one puzzle. AJ is the A side by a long shot by wilders trump card is worth mo

Do you honestly believe AJ is going to pass up the opportunity of becoming undisputed champion because he's not willing to offer wilder more than a 12.5 mill flat fee? If he dose that he will regret it for the rest of his career because he may never be able to say he became undisputed champion.

The same argument can be made for wilder, 12.5 mill is still a massive pay day and you can argue he should take that amount also and if i were him i would call their bluff and do it.

 

How do you get to the 'end offer' without rejecting the first one?