To this day nobody can explain to me why crawford is p4p #1

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  1. BK Whopper

    BK Whopper New Member banned Full Member

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    haha. There's no chance the Indogno or Beltran is a better win than a 3 weight world champion in Ricky burns. Even though Burns was past his best. Indogno is truly terrible, one of the worst world champions in all my years watching boxing.. no surprise it was at 140 where he was champ as well. the amount of weak world champions there's been in that division is unreal.. Indogno, Rees, Khan, Witter, M'baye, Kotelnik, Peterson, Alexander, Holt, N''dou, retired past it Morales, etc an endless list of weak world champions..
     
  2. mirkofilipovic

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    Willy Makaet comes to mind.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No Mas Chenko's opponent's win/loss ratio

    308-27

    And 12 of those loses belong to Salido. He turned pro very young and was 14-8-2 in his first 24 fights because he had no amateur career to speak of and was learning his trade on the job. When he'd completed his apprenticeship and learned his trade he improved immeasurably and he would only lose 4 fights in the next 12 years

    Crawford's opponent's win loss ratio

    514-205

    Number of world champions fought

    Loma = 5

    Crawford = 4

    Number of times Loma has fought on the road = 11

    Crawford = 1

    And if you don't think that matters, do you think Salido would've beaten Loma in Ukraine? Of course he wouldn't have he would've been rightfully DQ'd or at the very least had multiple points deducted from his total and thus lost. Loma actually out landed him by 20 punches, but at least 30-40 of Salido's punches were South of the border, many of which so low Ray Charles could've seen them on a dark night from a mile away. Salido would not have been allowed to get away with in Loma's backyard or indeed many other neutral locations.

    World champions beaten

    In no order

    Loma

    GRJ
    Walters
    Rigoblin
    Martinez
    Sosa

    Crawford

    Postol
    Burns
    Indongo
    Gamboa

    GRJ>>Postol
    Walters>>Indongo
    Burns>>Martinez
    Rigoblin>>Gamboa

    And we still have Sosa

    Crawford's best win Postol just got dropped heavily by some obscure prospect from Uzbekistan in his last fight. His opponent was so obscure that even Serge has never heard of him before. And Postol was on very wobbly legs when he hauled his ass back up off the canvas and was very lucky to make it out of the round. He came within a whisker of getting KTFO by a 14 fight novice who'd feasted on nothing but a bunch of tomato cans with records like this. Let that sink in.

    14-11-0
    14-10-0
    0-1-0
    3-12-0
    0-0-0
    6-9-0
    6-4-0
    3-6-0
    7-6-2
    0-0-0
    0-1-0
    0-0-0
    0-0-0
    0-4-0

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    That's Crawford's best win. And Postol's only claim to fame is a freak eye injury stoppage over a shot, war-weary, mentally demoralized from boxing politics and corruption ''hype job'' Lucas. And Postol held like a gay octopus for much of that fight too.

    As for Indongo, I think it's very likely he's packing Namibian glass. Go look at the amount of featherfists and non punchers he'd fought before he ran into Crawford. Yes Troyanovsky hits like a truck but he didn't land a punch when he fought him.

    His 1st (and 2nd) = 15 fights (1KOs)
    3rd = 7 fights (1KOs)
    4th = 1 fight (0KOs)
    5th (and 8th) = 26 fights (2KOs)
    6th = 8 fights (0KOs)
    8th = 30 fights (3KOs)
    9th = 12 fights (0KOs)
    10th = 38 fights (8KOs)
    11th = 36 fights (19KOs)
    12th = 6 fights (0KOs)
    13th = 10 fights (3KOs)
    14th = 3 fights (0KOs)
    15th = 16 fights (3KOs)
    16th = 44 fights (16KOs)
    17th = 24 fights (9KOs)
    18th = 30 fights (13KOs)
    19th = 42 fights (15KOs)
    20th = 32 fights (15KOs)
    21st = 27 fights (23 KOs) Glass jaw Troyanovsky didn't land a punch
    22nd = 48 fights (14KOs) Burns

    Troyanovsky aside, this must be some kind of record for the amount of featherfists and non punchers a fighter has faced. If you gave them all sledgehammers it would probably take them at least a month to demolish a Wendy house between them. If I had a son who was that weak and feeble I would disown them.

    ^^^ And yet again Serge was proven correct. That Namibian stick insect's jaw is indeed forged out of pure glass

    Now let's get into one of Crawford's other best wins ie. Ricky Burns

    Let's not forget that Burns' fight prior to facing Crawford he should've lost to Beltran and in his fight prior to that he was getting schooled by Jose A Gonzalez and looked well on his way to losing before Gonzalez had to pull out with a wrist injury. Gonzalez was ahead 87-84 on all three of the judge's score cards. And in his fight after losing to Crawford, Burns lost to Zlaticanin. So if not for good fortune and corruption Burns very easily could've been on a 0-4 slump at that time.

    A fight report of Burns vs Gonzalez

    'For most of the nine rounds that their fight lasted, lightweight titleholder Ricky Burns was utterly outclassed by the largely unknown Jose Gonzalez. It was a shocking scene to see Gonzalez, who was the mandatory challenger for reasons that will remain a mystery -- because it sure had nothing to do with his barren résumé -- toying with Burns.

    Gonzalez, who had never fought anyone of remote consequence and was fighting outside of his Puerto Rican home for the first time, had traveled to the lion's den of Glasgow, Scotland, where Burns is a hero, and he took the hero to school Saturday at Emirates Arena.

    Burns' title was clearly slipping away -- just listen to the crowd grow quieter and quieter, round after round -- when, suddenly, Gonzalez simply quit on his stool after the ninth round.

    The British television commentators, who also had Burns way behind, said it might have been a hand injury. Whatever it was, that's the sort of pain you sign up for when you become a prizefighter. If you want to be a champion, it goes with the territory. Gonzalez (22-1, 17 KOs) couldn't take it, did not have what it takes to be a champion and quit. Poof. Just like that, he gave up the opportunity of a lifetime to win a world title.

    But for most of the nine rounds, Gonzalez befuddled an ineffective Burns (36-2, 11 KOs), who was as lucky to keep his title (in his third defense) as anyone is to hit the lottery. This fight wasn't so much about Burns winning it as it was about Gonzalez losing.

    Burns, the heavy favorite, showed very little and had me thinking he should be thankful he (and former promoter Frank Warren) turned down multiple overtures from fellow titleholder Adrien Broner. I always thought Broner would manhandle Burns. After seeing Burns against Gonzalez, I'm sure of it.

    By the third round, Burns was bleeding from the nose. He was being easily beaten to the punch as Gonzalez showed a really nice variety of punches -- uppercuts, body shots and right hands. He didn't even really use his best punch, the left hook, much.

    Gonzalez had big fifth and sixth rounds, backing Burns into the ropes and hurting him with repeated blows. At this point in the fight, it seemed not really a matter of whether Gonzalez would stop him, just when. But I will give Burns a bit of credit here. He is experienced and has heart and obviously knew he was trailing. He let it all hang out in the seventh round, which will go down as a round of the year candidate.

    They went toe to toe. They were both hurt and they were both in trouble at different times. It was a blistering round, and it clearly took more out of Gonzalez than Burns.

    "He caught me with a few good shots, and I just decided to stand my ground and trade back with him. That's all I could do," Burns said after the fight about Round 7.

    Burns mounted a comeback in the eighth and ninth rounds, his best of the fight, as Gonzalez, perhaps his hand already hurt, looked dead tired and did not do very much. Still, Burns was in a deep hole when the ninth ended. And then, out of nowhere, Gonzalez quit, giving Burns the improbable victory.

    Eddie Hearn, the Matchroom Sport promoter who signed Burns before this fight after he dumped Warren, seemed relieved Burns had pulled this victory out of the fire.

    "Unbelievable courage," he said of Burns' ability to hang in there despite a very tough night.

    Then Hearn said they would be back in Scotland for Burns' next title defense in September -- a title he is very, very lucky to still call his own.'

    And many feel Burns lost against Kiryl Relikh in his fight directly before Indongo relieved him of his title too.

    Going into the Crawford fight Postol had been out of action for 10 months

    So we discredit Loma's win over Axe Man because the later had been inactive for 11 months but not Crawfords' over Postol who'd been inactive for 10 months or his win over Gamboa (which I don't recall the Crawford groupies who also happen to be Loma detractors mentioning either) who'd been inactive for 12 months?
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And last but not least, Crawford is a huge weight bully who has typically been rehydrating 15-18 pounds for his fights at 135 AND even up at 140.

    Terence Crawford vs Andrey Klimov - contested at Lightweight

    Crawford 149 - Klimov 140

    Terence Crawford vs Yuriorkis Gamboa - contested at Lightweight

    Crawford 152 - Gamboa 145

    Terence Crawford vs Raymundo Beltran - contested at Lightweight

    Crawford 153 - Beltran 147

    Terence Crawford vs Hank Lundy - contested at Light-welterweight

    Crawford 155 - Lundy 151

    Crawford 155 - Jean 155 - contested at Light-welterweight

    Crawford 157 - Postol 152 - contested at Light-welterweight

    Crawford 157 - Diaz 161 - contested at Light-welterweight

    So as you can see Crawford has been the heavier man on fight night for all bar 2 of his fights (I think Molina might have been heavier so maybe 3) where his ring weights have been announced (and often by a significant amount) and in that one instance where he wasn't his opponent weighed the same as him *this post was written before Bud's last fight and I don't know what his ring weight was for that one - I'll update it later*

    Like I said Crawford was absolutely killing himself to make 135. So much so that it was pretty much the main theme for his HBO 2 Days special

    Crawford rehydrates 15-18lbs on fight night. He rehydrated 17lbs for Postol even though he'd only officially moved up to 140 the year before. Crawford actually weighed more for his lowest recorded fight night weight at lightweight than career light-welter Postol did for his fights against Aydin and Matthysse. Crawford was 149 and Postol was 148 for those two fights.

    Loma 139 - Sosa 142

    https://s11.postimg.org/lvyikw0ib/loma_sosa.png

    Loma 137 - Walters 136

    https://s11.postimg.org/h7i35h283/loma_vs_walters.png

    Loma 137 - Martinez 144

    http://i.imgur.com/Tc49cRs.jpg

    At 126

    Loma 134 - Koasicha 133

    https://postimg.org/image/uvsczfadh/

    Loma 138 - Rodriguez 132

    https://postimg.org/image/jtfb8z57r/

    Loma 138½ - Russell 138

    http://i.imgur.com/jL3x79B.jpg

    Loma 136 - Salido 147

    http://i.imgur.com/O4IjhiD.jpg

    Loma 132 - Piriyapinyo 137

    https://s10.postimg.org/wgr66qr2x/loma_piri.png

    Loma 129 - Ramirez 135

    The maximum amount of weight Loma has hydrated since moving up to 130 is 9lbs, but it's only been 7lbs for 2 of his 5 fights up there, and the weight for 2 of the others wasn't announced, conversely, Crawford is still rehydrating 17lbs up at 140. So think about that one before you crucify Loma for picking on little Rigoblin. And also think about the fact that it was Rigoblin who called Loma out not the other way round. In fact, he waged a protracted Twitter campaign at him constantly accusing him of ducking him and the good old LDBC (most of whom said Rigo was going to knock Loma the F out) aided him in that campaign by tearing into Loma at every chance they could accusing him of ducking Rigoblin. They went in on Loma like a pack of wild animals for months and months, if not longer, saying he was running scared from Rigoblin. So Loma couldn't win no matter what he did.

    Let me know the last time Crawhype was outweighed by 11lbs in the ring, fighting on foreign soil and punched in the testicles 4000 times



    Serge destroys

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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    SSR or Loma are P4P#1
     
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  6. boranbkk

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    Great group of posts man. :applaudit::clapclap::clap:
     
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  7. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    P4P garbage.... AKA 'how to sound like you know jack when you don't know jack..."
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks comrade :beer-toast1:
     
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  9. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    He isn't #1 on most lists, but he could be because he's an amazingly talented fighter with few weaknesses and dynamic talents that surpass all but a fraction of people on earth?
     
  10. The Ogdoad

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    Crawford's resume is mediocre. Jeff Horn will do nothing to improve it. He left a division having not fought four guys who would all be his best opponent to date. Titles don't mean **** when you didn't beat the best fighters to get them.

    Lomachenko's resume isn't all that either, outside of the Russell Jr. win. Which is better than anything on Crawford's resume.
     
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  11. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The media all has lil g as p4p #1 so what narrative are we creating here?
     
  12. Papillon

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    TBH his name was the 1st that came to mind and that clown in the above post.
     
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  13. Papillon

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    Golovkin wouldn't be going the distance with Ricky Burns calibre of fighters.

    The fact you refer to Golovkin as "Lil g" says it all to be honest.

    Like a strange little fanboy.
     
  14. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Still doesn’t answer who has Bud p4p #1. Most media outlets have lil G as number 1. I don’t see agenda being pushed on Crawford’s behalf. So once again, what narrative are we creating here?
     
  15. Papillon

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    Who's "Lil g"?

    Is it Golovkin's younger sibling or am I missing something?