Where do you rate Andre Ward all time p4p? And at 168?

I was just asking you to back up your claim that's all. If he isn't in the top 100 I'd like to see who is.

 

It's a shame Calzaghe's domestic wins over Robin Reid and Richie Woodhall get overlooked. A scan of their boxrec page's certainly won't do them any justice, but these were good quality wins over euro level contenders. Hell even David Starie was good enough to beat a young and undefeated Clinton Woods and give Otke a close fight on the cards in Germany.
But that's name you wouldn't have heard, let alone seen fight of unless you were a pretty die hard British fan.

He fought the best available and beat them all and there was nothing left for Ward to do in boxing, except a unification fight with Adonis Stevenson, but he's sketchy as ****, so it's hard to blame him.

Lets just say he is, at worst, the number two Super Middleweight. It's still quite the achievement despite the divisions short history. A whole host of great fighters have played part in that short history and ranking ahead of guys like Benn, Eubank, Jones Jr, To ey, McClelan should be seen as a massive compliment. Ward at number 1 is fair, even though I don't see it that way.

 

Not necessarily. Ward competed at 175 at in the Olympics. It wasn't like he grew into that division as he got older. He was a legitimate 175 pounder who quite likely could never have made 168 in an era of same day weigh ins.

 

I don't have time to list 100 boxers. I assure you, I could easily justify more than 100 being better pound for pound than Andre Ward. Almost every legitimate champion from featherweight to Middleweight for the period of 1920-1990 would be ahead of Ward. Not to mention the many other ATG fighters in other divisions. Andre Ward is a very effective fighter. He will have earned his right into the IBHOF. But, he is not an ATG. Not by a long shot.

 

I think you may be jumping to conclusions. Ward claims that he could have made 165 but moved up to 178 in the amateurs by choice:
https://streamable.com/qkct0

 

Nothing to write home about , Woodhall was past prime and gave him a good fight before the bogus stoppage. Ried exposed his porous defense and I thought he won that fight as did a many others. A bogus point deduction swayed it for Joe.
Andre Ward wouldn't have lost a round to either of those men. Joe went lie and death against the best guy he fought in Kessler and he was systematically deconstructed by Ward and i think that tells you that Joe wasn't an Elite A level fighter. His skills get overrated i don't think he would have beaten Ward or Kovalev. He likely would never have entered the ring against Kovalev as he knew what his level was and never fought anybody above it. He admitted this himself in his book that was published before he fought the ghost of Roy Jones.

 

I'd put him in the HOF bracket tbh not ATG

 

You don't have to do anything. Buy if you'd reply going to say someone is not in the top 100 you should be able to say who is instead of him.

 

Olympic weight classes are not the same as pro weight classes. Povetkin was a SHW amateur. Shaun Porter was a middle weight amateur
Ward was not a legitimate 175 pound professional. He fought at 160 a few times during the beginning of his career.

 

Erm no, no he didnt

 

Yes he did. He ducked Dirrell and Bute

And no he didnt. He got beaten by Kovalev then should have been DQd in the rematch

PLUS he retired when the Beterbiev fight was on the imminent horizon. Ward knew his limits, Artur would have bludgeoned him

 

To further this point, I'm pretty sure the LightHeavy limit is closer to 180lb in the amateurs.