Felix Trinidad vs Buddy Mcgirt @147

I said he is short of great.HOF means nothing to me .
This is a pretty good C.V.imo

In 1988, McGirt defeated Frankie Warren, avenging what was at that time his only defeat, to win the IBF light welterweight title.[2] In his second defense, he lost the title to Meldrick Taylor.[3]

In November 1991, he defeated Simon Brown to win the Lineal and WBC welterweight titles.[4][5]

Buddy was a scrappy, talented fighter who had an outstanding career in the ring. He defeated men such as Simon Brown, Livingstone Bramble, Saoul Mamby, Edwin Curet, Howard Davis, Frankie Warren, Tony Baltazar, Gennaro Leon, Patrizio Oliva, Gary Jacobs, Tommy Ayers, Willie Rodriguez, Ralph Twinning, Buck Smith, Kevin Pompey, Rafael Williams, John Senegal, Eric Martin, Joe Manley, Tyrone Moore, Nick Rupa, Joe Gatti and George Heckley.

At the beginning of 1993, McGirt was the world's top-ranked 147-pound boxer, one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world; but in the first week starting off the year he tore up his left shoulder while training. Without his money punch, the left hook, he had to box virtually one-handed for a total of 24 rounds in two championship fights. He won the first fight, but he lost his title in the second. McGirt lost the title to Pernell Whitaker in 1993.[6] The following year, he again lost to Whitaker in an attempt to regain the title.

In 1997, he retired with a record of 73-6-1 (48 KOs).

 

he lost his biggest fights, and Davis was not a top fighter when he stopped him. Which I have on tape. The last 15 round scheduled fight. He was good, but he was HOF or great. Overrated. When he was losing a fight, his rotator cuff issue always came up. How could a guy with that recurrent problem be anything close to great.

 

You are arguing against a case I haven't made.

 

That doesn't mean it's the same injury.

 

He did not lose in the first round against Taylor. It was a twelfth round tko. His problems with his left arm started with a bicep tear against Bermudez; if you have seen that fight it was a pretty severe injury. If you watch his career, you will see that he became increasingly right hand dependant after he became welterweight champion. The "excuse" was legitimate enough to make him significantly alter his approach, yet he was still a top guy in his era and only Whitaker beat him at the weight.

 

It's a fact, and a better "excuse" than getting a leg massage before a match.

 

Perhaps it was his ankle?

 

I see Trinidad winning this.Mc Girt was an excellent fighter though

 

Vitali Klitschko isn't the be all end all of rotator cuffs. Severity depends on the extent of the tear. Hence, he was really screwed up whereas Manny Pacquiao was full of crap. Same injury, right?

 

I did not know that. Thank you

 

As much as you'd like to believe Pac was full of crap so it makes May's win look better, it just isn't so, sorry

 

And in the Leon fight Mcvey, you ever seen that fight??? Life and death struggle with one arm, I think it was the same injury

 

Nor better than eating 2 steaks and having a gallon of water. And about Tommy and Marvin, Tommy still fought a great fight and is a great fighter. He came to fight in superfights and gave us numerous great moments. The fact that McGirt always used that as his excuse shows that he was not up to the great fighter or even exceptional fighter status. Like that time he is waiting for news of a fight to be signed, and it shows him at home getting some treatment on his shoulder at that moment. What is that saying? I hope my shoulder holds up. Or pulling out a contract after Buddy beat Davis with Meldrick there, as though Meldrick was ducking him. Then Buddy gets hit a little in round one and you could tell the fight was over at that point, after landing I think one decent left hook. I honestly do not see how McGirt is anything close to great or Hall of fame. He was a favorite of many, but his accomplishments are not great fighter material.

 

If he had this chronic injury, why was he fighting if he couldn't win, and then he would say he couldn't lift his arm. It didn't make sense. I know what happened with Meldrick, Certo threw in the towel. I saw it. I meant, if you look at the first round, he was finished that early. He realized Meldrick was too fast for him. He landed a decent left hook and Meldrick was a little awkward, but it didn't hurt Meldrick. I have not seen the fight in 20 years, and I remember the left hook, and then Meldrick workrate took over.. The left is not an issue. If he could not fight properly because of a tear, he was not going to beat the great fighters and be one himself. That point is the injury limits what he can do in the ring. No excuse is legit if you don't win. The point is winning, not saying, well if he had the left shoulder fine, he would be great so let's label him as great. If he couldn't win he couldn't win.

 

I wanted to say this about McGirt. I don't like excuses and he was one of those guys who had one ready and waiting. He was a good fighter, and I loved when he came back and beat Frankie Warren. I think that was the guys name. A guy who fought in regular TV in the mid 1980s and was a whirlwind and beat Buddy the first time, and Buddy adjusted and beat Warren in the rematch.