the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    A few requests I have for people to score...

    Sanchez-Ford
    Sanchez-Nelson
    Sanchez-Cowdell
    Pedroza-Lockridge I
    Pedroza-Taylor
    Pedroza-Castillo
    Baer-Schmeling
    Charles-H Johnson
    Machen-H Johnson
    Machen-Foley I
    Williams-Terrell II

    Thanks guys
     
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  2. SuzieQ49

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    Whitaker over SRL? :eek:

    Whitaker’s best win doesn’t even compare to SRL’s 4th best win..

    Man Whitaker has become overrated over the years to the point where some people rate him above SRL

    Whitaker never beat a prime ATG during his career and some people act like he was the perfect fighter...
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    Looks better on film to me mate.
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

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    1. How so? Leonard was a master clutch performer who always showed up at the big stage. Whitaker in some of his biggest fights..acted like a clown, danced too much, and didn’t close the show. Leonard defeated prime ATGs in historic fashion, often showcasing clutch power in later rounds. Leonard had the intangibles Whitaker only could dream of having. Whitaker didn’t impress the judges, and no boxing experts at the time ever considered him better than SRL

    2. I hope you took level of competition into play here. It’s a lot easier to look good on film against far past his prime JCC, aging Nelson, and Buddy McGirt than it is prime versions of Hearns, Benitez and Duran
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Whittaker had arguably the best defensive reflexes of all time. He was an expert at making people pay once they missed, his offensive arsenal was out of this world as well he could punch from every angle. He was always criticised for his footwork but he never seemed to get cornered. his power was under rated as well as he showed against Hurtado when past his prime. For me Pea looks absolutely amazing and could nullify the offence of anyone from 135 and below.

    I'm not into the nit picking game, every win by every fighter has an asterix if you look hard enough. I feel the level of fighters Pea faced was good enough that we can say his skills were legit. The argument is not about whether or not Pea is worse than Leonard or fought poorer opposition, but more about the inverse.

    Why was Leonard better than Pea? For me Pea is one of the best to ever lace em up, if someone is to be seen as better than him they need to have a strong argument imo.

    Also boxing experts are amazing at many things, formulating my list isn't one of them however.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Suz, I've added my scores to your list on the ones I have actually scored. BTW, as in the case of Williams-Terrell, I always score with the system used at the time. Thus, a 5 point must system in the case of that fight.
     
    scartissue, Apr 19, 2018
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  7. McGrain

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    Lionel Rose UD15 Fighting Harada

    In Japan no less.

    Some effort this from Rose.

    Harada, mental case start, Rose just trying to stay alive, keep off the ropes, get his body attack going. He's okay with the heavy wide punches Rose, probably not a bad thing here as he's mixing it up with neater work. Harada is wide open for that left hand. Lively first round which Rose won with stiff punches over the top.

    Counter rights over the top in round two from Rose, while FH tries to up the pressure, staying close, jabbing, then body, but then quite keen on holding. Is he a tiny bit spooked? He's being beaten to the punch AND countered. Beautiful beautiful right left counter from Rose as he's being backed into the corner, if you're not going to watch this fight watch round 2 for that 1-2, magical punches. It's impossible to dominate FH in the normal way but for sure but it's hard for me to see how he will win rounds before Rose tires. Rose should have it all his own way until he gets knackered.

    :lol: Harada outworks Rose to win the 3rd.

    Rose has been repeatedly warned for hitting with the inside of the glove, seems odd.

    Left handed clinic re-established in the 4th but then FH forces Rose into a war and they exchange body-blows. Beautiful. Great, great round of boxing. FH outworks Rose through the fifth, but he is getting jab-jab-jabbed. The variety in Rose's work is delightful though. Lead right, counter-left, sneak right to the body, jab, and he has a lovely step away from Harada when Harada wants to charge. Ref seems to deduct a point from Rose in the sixth for something with the head, couldn't see what, and also instructed him once more to use the correct part of the glove to hit. After this intervention it's all Harada so this is an undeserved 2 point swing for the Japanese I'd say.

    This seems to focus Rose though who lands repeated hard single shots in the seventh to edge it in what seems like a change of strategy. FH, or his part, just working the body with blistering two-handed attacks that arguably should bring him a share of the round. But Rose does the cleaner work. Back to dancing in 8 as FH looks perhaps to take a round off, seems glad of the rest. Rose takes the round on his toes jabbing. Mad varied strategy from the Australian. He appears to want to go head to head with FH in the ninth but then goes back onto his toes.

    FH looks a bit gassed and he is dropped for a standing eight by another delightful counter.

    FH looks a little jaded by the pace he himself has set. He has chances to corner and work Rose but he lets him escape, or initiates a clinch. Goes wading in at the beginning of the 11th but is just cleanly out-punched by a completely nerveless Rose. I have him three rounds ahead with five remaining. Warned again about hitting with the wrong part of the glove and it's a great punch he landed too. Ref is a bit pissed I think. These are massive right-hand counters Rose is landing, totally beautiful shots. He even finds room for them when smothered.

    Another lovely one nearly has FH down again in the 12th. He's just being so clever with the jab then landing booming single punches it's lovely. This is turning into a hiding.

    Harada wins an excellent, frantic fourth, but is left flat-footed by a delightful Rose one-two in the early part of the fourteenth and nearly dropped. It has been such a wonderful, nuanced, varied performance from Rose and he certainly doesn't appear to me to need this round for the win, but the truth is he may have on the judge's scorecards. Great to see him do so in such style, swinging, boxing, jabbing, right-hand leads, uppercuts to the heart, rights to the ribs, leading off, countering, up on his toes, dominating inside, an absolutely compete round of boxing that absolutely confirms AG stamina, too. Wonderful stuff.

    ROSE:1,2,7,8,9*,10,11,12,14,
    HARADA:3,4,5,6*,13,15

    *Undeserved point off for Rose.
    **Harada flashed

    So 9-6 for Rose in a great fight.
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Thank you

    Wow Sanchez needed a knockout in the 15th to beat Nelson on your card...he was as clutch as they Get!
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Was Harada in his prime here?
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

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    J Jones-MAB II ....anyone score it?
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    • Most of Japan's sportswriters were predicting a Caraballo victory due to the fact that Harada had to boil down from 147 to 118 within three months and they felt that he would not have sufficient stamina to cope with Caraballo's speed for 15 rounds.

    • I would say no, judging from this quote from boxrec on his bout with Caraballo a year earlier. He was obviously experiencing weight problems and abandoned 118 after the Rose fight for featherweight. He was still quite good for the Rose fight, but not quite the fighter who engaged Jofre.
     
    scartissue, Apr 20, 2018
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  12. McGrain

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    Riding the crest of an incredible wave. The run he was on was near astronomical.

    But, he had spells where he looked tired which were a little surprising to me. That said, he was getting hit often and hard, which always makes it difficult to run your engine properly.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    I did many moons ago. Could have gone either way that but I think the right man got the nod.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    Canelo Vs Khan

    Khan dominated the first 2 rounds. Made Canelo look like a punch bag.

    The next 3 rounds Canelo was competitive but Khan was still the better fighter for my money. Whilst the rounds were closer Khan was doing the superior work, beating Canelo to the punch and staying one step ahead of him.

    The ko punch was brutal but Khan proved his skillset here.
     
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  15. scartissue

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    Here is the first Saad Muhammad - John Conteh encounter.

    I was a huge Conteh fan back in the day and may have leaned a little towards him back then. Watching it now more impartial I can say that although John's defense was brilliant, he relied too heavily on it and needed to be busier offensively. There were times that were screaming out for a Conteh counter when he seemed to be more content with ducking away and resuming jabbing. Anyways here we go. 10 point must system.

    Round 1: 10-9 Saad
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Saad
    Round 5: 10-9 Saad
    Round 6: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 7: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 8: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 9: 10-9 Saad
    Round 10: 10-9 Saad
    Round 11: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 12: 10-9 Conteh
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-7 Saad (2 knockdowns)
    Round 15: 10-9 Saad

    145-141 Saad Muhammad

    Of course, the fan in me will always say that the Conteh from '74 would have taken Saad. But regardless, two great warriors.
     
    scartissue, Apr 21, 2018
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