"Joe Louis Not Great"

Fake news did not happen, these score ards did. You excuse is?

IMO, Louis, if he didn't deliver quick KO's or have people fear his power, he would lose an even higher percentage of the rounds.

Jimmy Braddock, two years out of the ring won one round 10-8, and I gave him another before he gassed and was taken out.

Tommy Farr likely won six rounds, maybe seven vs Louis, and also stuns Louis, I think round 9 or 11.
All on film. If the film is fantasy, and scorecards in this conversation ( which I think were partial in some cases are fake news ) you might as well find the defunct lounge at EBS to talk boxing.

If Louis was a good as a boxer as you think, he does not have these issues.

I'm not saying you're a bad poster. I think you're a good poster, you have a hard time accepting facts, at least the way I arrange them, which also applies to all that I have access to on film or scorecards.

Also, quick KO's does not punish the skilled punchers, which include Vitali, Lewis, or Wlad at all. See my point?

Why? They can box and don't lose rounds as frequently as Louis did. What's next, they were too big? So was Louis vs. many who out boxed in rounds won to lose sense.

 

FYI Haye, and Valuev wanted no part of Vitali. The fight was out there. How did Vitali miss out on Fury?

 

Mendoza...I am fine with you using this logic...just make sure you apply it to every fighter.

For example Larry Holmes, against the best boxers he fought, won rounds only 44% of the time...

 

Vitali retired in 2012, I'll give him a pass on Fury.

But he never fought have, never fought valuev, never fought chagaev, never fought povetkin....vitali cancelled his scheduled match with Rahman 4 times leaving Rahman at the alter!

Bottom Line: vitali did not record wins over the best heavyweights of the era. Not even close. The two best fighters he fought, he lost too

 

Who would need to come from behind when you're facing the likes of

Gomez
Sosnowski
Charr
Solis
Hide
Donald
Sanders
Peter
Johnson
Adamek
Chisora
Briggs
Arreola


Seriously...name me one fighter on this list who would be ahead on the cards after 10 rounds vs a 1935-1938 Joe Louis?

 

Even though the Hide fight lasted only 2 rounds , Vitali losing the first round meant he lost 50% of the fight against Hide.

Bowe against Hide went 7 rounds and Bowe never lost a round ,so Bowe lost 0% of his fight against Hide.

See how you can use stats to make any argument you like.

 

Joe Louis not a great fighter?

Closed this thread. Thats enough bull****

 

Larry Holmes only won 44% of the rounds he fought vs the five best boxers he ever faced

 

Seriously, Solis, Gomez, Adamek and Donald were good boxer movers with jabs...the type who gave Louis trouble.

Briggs, Sanders, Hide, and Peter had the power to floor Louis, in fact they hit harder than some who did.

What else do you have Q? Shifting away from the facts I presented, that showed Louis had issues vs the best boxers he faced, not even winning the majority or rounds and saying yeah but so and so did to isn't proving what I said is not so.

 

Bowe had some trouble with Hide and called him the hardest puncher he fought. Vitali deposited Hide in two round, Bowe finally stopped in him 7. Even with " Dino math " its easy to see who did the better job.

Bowe did not look good at all vs Donald, Vitali stopped him. Had enough, Dino?

 

WRONG! Please tell me who Liston, Lewis, or Klitschko had problems with as boxers, and needed a late come from behind KO to stop. You've got a much shorter list, McGain. End of.

Oh sure, Conn, Walcott, Farr, Charles...those guys could stand with Liston, Lewis, or Klitschko. I'd up the ante and say Joshua has no problems with them either. All puncher's I mentioned who had no trouble outboxing their guys, most of whom were 200 pounds or more.

Yet Louis was less than 50% vs the best boxers he faced? Not so with the others I mentioned.

Maybe if I had video with editing features, oh boy...it would be a field day of points made.

 

I have stated now 3 times Larry Holmes had issues vs the best boxers he faced, not even winning the majority of the rounds 44%.....yet you hold this against Louis and not Holmes?

Is that a double standard?

 

Come on...don't try to make these guys into something they are not...

Solis was fat lazy unmotivated fighter who couldn't even beat Tony Thompson. Solis never achieved anything. He was a huge bust

Gomez was a smallish weak hitter with no chin. He never achieved anything at heavyweight

Adamek-- please. Good cruiserweight, not a good heavyweight. No punch, weak chin, got outmuscled often, not very athletic. Another who didn't achieve anything at heavyweight

Donald- A gatekeeper, a joruneyma . Another who never achieved anything at heavyweight besides rolling over the corpse of Holyfield.

These guys were nothing!

Briggs- what was he 40 years old? Guy was just looking for one last pay day, he was shot by 2009..

Hide- decent win, good cruiserweight..but another who hardly achieved or amounted to much as a heavyweight

Peter- good win..but this version of peter who showed up was in dreadful shape. He couldn't even beat eddie chambers in his next fight.

Sanders- Vitalis best win...but sanders was a 3 round fighter at this point...he hardly trained, was 39 years old and ready for retirement


I'll say this...vitalis resume hasn't aged well