Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

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Is Canelo Alvarez deliberately cheating?

  1. Canelos a clean fighter

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  2. Clenelo is juicing

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  3. Who gives a flying ****??

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fact that Alvarez did submit to hair follicle testing is quite impressive, I must admit.
    So, maybe it was a contaminated meat related accident indeed, after all... :buenrollo:
     
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  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When it comes to PEDS I typically have a guilty til proven innocent attitude. However I see Canelo about as guilty as I see Povektin for testing for Meldonium which is not very guilty at all. With that being said Canelo is still responsible for letting it enter his system at all and I don't think his very lenient suspension was over the top.
     
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  4. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    "Why don't you all trust this dodgy guys? I mean everyone gave the benefit of the doubt to Povetkin when he was 'cleared' right? RIGHT?"
     
  5. IsaL

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    Fact is he did test positive twice. That's why this debate exists.

    Yes he is suspended. The NSAC suspends anyone who fails a test, whether the consumption of the bannend substance was malicious of unintentional.

    There is no reason for tears. First of all, its just boxing. Second of all, he has proven time and time again to be a clean fighter. Two back to back tests that contained trace amounts of clen isn't enough to dismiss him as a PED cheat when you look at this through a broad scope.

    The two failed tests do suggest wrong doing. If you look at just that I can see why you would believe he cheated.

    Considering his over 90 clean tests, even 3 right before the two failed ones, 4 more right after, his willingness to take a hair follicle test, his negative results for the hair follicle test, while not 100% flawless, but everything considered, all seem to suggest that he did not intentionally take Clenbuterol or a PED user.

    Im not sure how many fighters have taken hair follicle tests, but if you're a PED cheat it is a test you do not want to take regardless of its "unreliability" to detect PEDs.

    You have you're agency to choose what to believe, as I've said before, I'm not going to treat him any different than I did Klitschko, Fury, Vargas, and some other fighters I gave the benefit of the doubt too.
     
  6. ATG22

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    The only reason to come off VADA is because you don’t want to pop for another and still “eating that beef” or stopped taking masking agents.
     
  7. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I suggest you read my response to @likehisboss
     
  8. like a boss

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    The thread is about Canelo and VADA testing, and plainly it is astonishing he won't have to undergo testing during his suspension having just failed two drug tests.
     
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  9. shadow111

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    They struck a deal with the NSAC prior to the hearing because the fight had already been cancelled and his next fight date would be in September which would be after the suspension expired.

    He dropped out the fight in advance of the hearing because the promotion of the event had already been greatly negatively affected by the distraction surrounding the clenbuterol test. HBO had stopped promoting the event, the T-Mobile had begun giving fans refunds, major boxing media members like Big Dan had been fanning the flames declaring that the fight was in serious jeopardy. There was all sorts of widespread paranoia about the fight not happening in May. The final straw was when the NSAC pushed back the hearing further to April 18th. In addition, Golovkin's team were putting pressure on the NSAC to punish / suspend Canelo. At that point, the circumstances surrounding the fight forced Canelo's hand. The distractions were too big too close to the fight and were greatly affecting the promotion and perceived legitimacy of the event. Had Canelo not pulled out, all the pressure would have been put on the NSAC's April 18th hearing as to whether or not to suspend Canelo, which would have been a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. (if they suspended him, they would be responsible for losing Las Vegas tons of revenue and would be suspending someone who likely did not cheat but was due to meat contamination) (if they didn't suspend him, they would be accused of showing favoritism to Canelo or not being serious about punshing drug violations, and would basically feed into every stereotype there ever has been about Vegas about how it's all about the money, and even then it wouldn't ensure that the fight would go on, and if the fight did go on it would be clouded in controversey and conspiracies, and essentially wouldn't be fair to either fighter or to the fans . . . so the right decision was for Canelo to pull out voluntarily to avoid either of those two scenarios from playing itself out)

    As you know, WADA's official stance is that they find it unreasonable for the athlete to provide the source of the tainted meat. So as you know, what you are saying here is contrary to WADA. However the NSAC may handle such cases differently than WADA or other commissions (the NSAC haven't had such experience with meat contamination cases) but we don't know whether or not Canelo's team did provide that kind of information to the NSAC as part of their investigation.
     
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  10. Farmboxer

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    Not only did El Pollo test positive two times, he also had the judges, referee, boxing commission and Bob Bennett on his side. El Pollo lost that fight....................wonder how he will cheat in Sept? Wonder if he was cheating the entire time? I suspect so..............El Pollo had better eat chicken, although that would make him a cannibal................
     
  11. IsaL

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    That's the only reason. Yup, you got it bro.
     
  12. like a boss

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    It is a green light for a drug cheat to cheat again.
     
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  13. IsaL

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    Astonishing

    He only took 3 random once right before failing, four more random after failing, and agreed to take a hair follicle test ealier this month.

    Simply astonishing.
     
  14. kriszhao

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    Yep if it truly was an accident why hasn't he entered the VADA clean boxing program.... probably wants to be sure he is completely through with his cycle this time.
     
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    The PED master dropping knowledge
     
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