Bellew vs Haye 2

Bellew UD for me.

Haye might take the first 2-3 rounds, but then Bellew outworks him and catches him as he show boats and leaves his left hand low. Haye then leads off more and he gets caught coming in.

Haye is a broken man. He just doesnt have it anymore but he cant accept it. The Haye that smashed Chisora to bits is long gone.

 

Good old Scuba Scott, very talented diver I hear.

 

I'm curious about Haye's sparring. There's usually more said about it in the lead up to his fights. A tweet yesterday stating his last sparring session was in the bag is the first and only reference to it I've heard mentioned so far.

The fear for me would be that he's compromised on that side of training in order to ensure he gets to the ring injury free.

In terms of how the fight might go, the first bout clearly taught him that Bellew's cute to a basic offense. Multiple telegraphed attacks fell flat. Whether he was carrying a substantial injury from the start or not, Bellew had answers to most if not everything obvious Haye attempted.

I'd imagine Haye would be more inclined to box this time around. He'd begun to taste success before the achilles snapped. The question then is how hampered was he in the first fight? How much of his poor performance early doors was down to that and how much was down to age and general physical degradation. He had the intelligence to begin to find his way in the first fight, assuming lighting doesn't strike twice I'd expect him to resume that pattern in the second (minus the theatrical attempts at an early finish).

I'm not inclined to wishful thinking though. This sport's cruel and indifferent, rematches rarely change the record outside of a lucky punch that might be avoided in a rerun. Haye's injury might qualify and exempt him from the natural tide but who knows. Add to the pot that they can both bang and it's a very hard fight to predict. Bellew looks in lean shape, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fight that's fought at a higher level than the first.

 

Who cares?

 

Bellew wouldn't take the fight if he was. I would put money on 1-3 round KO for Haye

 

So why are we getting fleeced over a old, paralysed Haye against a Average, old Bellew ? No World Title on the line, no meaning on this fight just one made off fake hate and hype.Courtesy of Edward Hearn

 

People need to realise that a PPV event is not about having belts or even watching boxers at the top of their game. PPV is about whether there is enough interest in the public to get the required TV audience/money and the answer to that for this fight is Yes.
Personally I can only see the same outcome again. Haye's body breaking down and Bellew winning either by KO or Haye retiring on his stool.
It's a shame because a prime Haye would win this easily however his lifestyle and distractions have meant that we will never see him at his best again.

 

A few things here.

I’ll once again just underline that I doubt think anyone doubts a fully fit prime Haye smashes Bellew to bits. I don’t think there’s more than 5% on here who believe there is such as a fully fit Haye anymore though.

Also just watching clips here and there and you notice how obsessed Haye is. That loss has proper tortured him. Tony looks a lot more relaxed and confident. Haye doesn’t seem mentally right to me. It’s got to him far too much. It could end up working out a good thing and he focuses all that energy on smashing Bellew but I’m sure now that it’s a Haye retirement/body or even mind falling apart again.

It was just as much the mind in the first fight. He ran out of ideas before he got injured, you could visibly see the frustration in Haye. His head fell off after m Bellew took everything Haye had and Tony was behind yeah but comfortable (in the sense he weren’t close to getting stopped or anything).

 

Bellew is way way closer to his prime than Haye, but for me as a Haye fan I just want to see him turn back the clock and show what it would be like if he was prime against Bellew. The intrigue for me is that he still has it in his locker to decapitate Bellew, its just whether it falls right for him injury wise. The gap in primes is astronomical, huge. Its took Haye to be not prime and injury riddled to make it a contest

 

I distinctly remember Haye stating that his punching days were over at least 5 years ago.

In his words his shoulder was "shredded", and he had been told by a Sports Doc that the damage was accumulated over years (hence harder to treat).

It's a shame to see what was presumably bad investments lead him to wheel himself out for a few more over-the-hill paydays. That vid posted showing him ambling to the ring at the first fight obviously injured speaks volumes.

It's quite common for top level boxers to rock up with tweaked shoulders, elbows and even hands but not achilles injuries bad enough to effect their gait and which has a massive impact both on offence and defence.

Anyways, I expect to see a much more cautious Haye this time around, I don't envisage him trying to bomb Bellew out (although I feel that trait is "hardwired" into Haye) but actively trying to box him. It wouldn't surprise me if he hurts Bellew early on with unexpected counters from weird angles.

Am going to reserve judgement on the result until I rewatch the first fight.

 

I think Haye will knock Bellew out this time.................

 

Going by the evidence I can only think Haye is falling apart physically so I pick Bellew. we all know a fit Haye would win easy. Bellew is only in this saga because this isnt the case. I admire what he did in the first fight but I think Haye was wrong to take the rematch as a money grab. He was injured yet again in the buildup to this fight so the writing is on the wall. Its a wonder he can get through sparring. when you have people praying he can get through camp you have to wonder. I believe it will be Hayes last fight unless he suddenly looks fantastic, but boxing is a *******, you want these old guys to come back but the reality is this rarely happens.

 

if bellew wins this he will be even more unbearable then ever and if the matchroom fanboys think his gonna face the wbss winner they are even more pathetic then he is lol

 

Fair point - I do think Bellew is being underrated again, he is savvy...

But he isn’t a heavyweight...

If Haye was fit he would win by KO, the question is, is he?

Saw an interview with Malik Scott who has been sparring Haye saying the question mark is whether Haye can make it through a camp...he is fast and powerful in sparring...

He was talking about a month ago so let’s see...