At what point do we just say Hearnz/AJ don't want it? Cause it seem obvious...

When a reasonable offer backed up by proof of funds and a contract is offered to them and they turn it down. When Wilder's Camp give a 24 hour deadline to accept their offer and actually meet to negotiate the deal instead blowing off pre-arranged meetings with Joshua's Camp and refusing to reschedule meeting until after the deadline they set has passed.

 

AJ seems to be getting a pass for using the proven Mayweather/Canelo tactics A-side stalling their opponents into past prime old age. Wilder is 33 an quite active. Fight needs to happen soon for it to be optimal...starting to doubt AJ's team want the best Wilder in the ring.

 

Do we know if Hearn sent a draft contract for his $12.5m offer? Or was he waiting to see if it was verbally accepted first after he announced it on social media?

 

People are missing the point, you dont have to send a contract with the initial offer, you just have to be willing to show one or discuss one. Wilders team are not getting stick for not sending a contract with the offer, they are getting it because after AJ team recieved the offer and asked questions they point blank refused to answer or meet or talk until Hearns and AJ said YES or NO. This means that Wilders team wanted Hearns and AJ to verbally agree before knowing all the details, if they just wanted a show of interest then they would have been happy with AJ saying lets roll and hearns saying we are interested now lets talk. The fact they wanted a 100% YES looks to some like they was possibly after a proper verbal agreement upfront and as shown on here that can sometimes be legally binding and no sensible manager or fighter would agree to that.

 

I actually don't believe Wilder and his fans are this ignorant.

Nobody with two brain cells would just agree to a fight without looking at a contract and also be confident the money was there.

If Hearn asked Wilder to just sign/agree based on a purse without looking at a contract I'd absolutely slaughter him and so would Wilder and every Wilder fan.


Wilder and his fans want to pretend Joshua don't want the fight but Hearn tried to meet with his representatives twice last week and they cancelled and then refused.

Breazeale had/has already been agreed, Wilder is the one who has made other arrangements not AJ.

It's blatant who is making this difficult to finalise and it isn't Hearn or Joshua.

 

They didn't even ask for one. They didn't respond to the offer at all.

 

Hearn sent them an offer by email, sent it to all of Wilders representatives and he asked them for a meeting to discuss it.

Hearn has said multiple times if asked by Team Wilder he would have stuck the money in escrow that day.

He said he would have also sent them all a draft copy of a contract and would have flown to meet them in the US immediately.

Team Wilder refused the money/offer, refused to a look at a draft contract and refused a meeting.


All Wilder has done is sent an email basically saying "50 million", it wasn't even Finkel or Haymon who sent this offer, it was Wilder.

Hearn at first thought it was a joke/prank because it had spelling mistakes in it.

What level of professionalism are we dealing with here?

Spelling mistakes, no draft contract and no proof of money which is reasonable request because Wilder gets paid very little in comparison to Joshua.

Wilder and his Team have refused to send a draft contract, refused to meet twice while Hearn was in the US and have already agreed to fight Breazeale.

No fighter or Promoter would just agree to a fight without looking at a contract and knowing most, probably all details, Team Wilder didn't even give a suggestion of where the fight is, they have said a figure and want 100% agreement before they let Hearn or AJ know any details.

It's a ridiculous request and a ridiculous way to do business and if Hearn tried to pull this rubbish with Wilder even I would be slaughtering him, it's just bizarre.

 

Not sure if many people are aware of this but:

In New York State a verbal contract before witnesses is legally binding. Wilder and co were insistent on Joshua's side verbally agreeing to something on social media, while in New York, which they had no real details on. That would have been a highly dangerous and stupid thing to do and may have involved Haymon and co taking them to the cleaners, without having to pay a penny, since all they would need to do would be to introduce a ton of clauses that are either virtually impossible to fulfil in reality or would breach a ton of pre-existing contractual agreements and force them to pull out.

The deal was either the most amateurish thing in history or an extremely devious attempt to fleece Matchroom of a fortune. I'm tempted to side with the latter, given the peculiar timing and insistence of public acceptance in a limited timeframe. Anyway, anyone still attempting to blame Hearn for not agreeing to the deal now knowing this is nothing more than a POS of the lowest order who would no doubt have applauded Hearn getting shafted in the courtrooms.

"Oral contracts, when made correctly before witnesses, can be enforced. For example, in 1984, after Getty Oil was sold to Pennzoil in a handshake deal, which is legally binding under New York law, Texaco made a higher offer, and the company was sold to Texaco. (Even though the case was tried in Texas, New York law applied.) Pennzoil filed a lawsuit alleging tortious interference with the oral contract, which the court upheld and awarded $11.1 billion in damages, later reduced to $9.1 billion (but increased again by interest and penalties).[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_contract

http://www.agsm.edu.au/bobm/teaching/MDM/pennzoil.pdf

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These Wilder huggers are firing lots of questions out but they aint answering everybodys questions to them. Even DiBella got slippery when asked about Breazealel. Why are they being quiet on that fight that is clearly happening? There is nothing wrong with it other than the fact it should be Dillian Whyte. Why hide it? Cuz by admitting it it puts a big hole in their Joshua facade. But that facade is so full of holes whats the harm in another one. Atleast then they can start promoting it and try earn Wilder a cool million. They may even sell some tickets this time.

 

Not sure how offering 10 times what Wilder has been paid before as a starting offer is stalling. Hearn has said Wilder is a risky fight - clearly it is - but he and Joshua want it and are willing to negotiate but even when he was in NY, Wilder's management weren't interested.

 

Eddie Hearn said during multiple interviews that the $12 mil offer was a starting point to open negotiations. That's a fact which you could easily verify yourself if you wished.

 

I bet the OP was saying 5m flat was a great offer for Golovkin at the time. He's literally one of the worst posters on this board.

 

Nah, I thought I'd get you to do it for me, like a google butler...

*tosses you a couple of coins*

 

Yeah I take your points, it's just the request by Hearn for a draft contract (reasonably enough) just made me wonder if he did the same with his opening offer? If he didn't it kinda renders mute the point he was making. I just think in their own ways, both sides are playing contract poker and the serious business hasn't started on either side. And I guess Wilder's 'offer' has sparked Hearn to consider improving the $12.5m he put out into the public domain...