Is Archie Moore a Top Fifteen Heavyweight from 1900 - 1960 ?

Yeah, just because a light heavyweight journeyman knocked him out in one round doesn't mean anything.

And just because the only heavyweight champs he fought all knocked him out doesn't mean anything.

I know this is a "fantasy" discussion, but you're living in fantasy land if you think Moore could stand in front of the great heavyweights in the 20th century and win slugging contests with them ... which is what they'd be, given his style.

 

He did fight Davies. It’s listed on boxrec. He lost to a 12-13 fighter. Embarrassing

 

Clearly you only watched film of Moore post 1955 and not any of the film of Moore in the late 40s early 50s.

Moore moved in and out really well in his prime

Watch Archie’s fights vs

1951 Jimmy Slade
1951 Jimmy Bivins
1951 embreell Davidson
1953 Nino Valdes

All fights Moore used his legs and upper body movement very well...in and out watch for yourself...


And what’s the bull crap about moor being vulnerable in the pocket? Moore was an all time great puncher and finisher. It’s very dangerous for an opponent to slug it out with Archie.

Not only was he a great puncher, but he had a great shoulder roll...could make a man miss by a few inches and counter them with a booming right hand. Moore set traps like the best of them

 

You’re in denial if you think some of those early 20th century champions with there low hands, horrible stances, arm punches, lack of high volume punching, no combination punching...could beat a modern far technically superior fighter in Moore

Moore would expose their flaws so easily..it would be easy for Moore

Moore brought traights to the table guys those guys had never seen before...like tripling up the jab, combinations to the head and body, upper body and head movement, high volume punching..

 

I've watched all the film there is of Moore. I've been collecting fights since 1987. And none of those four fights are against the best heavyweights from 1900 to 1960.

Watch Moore when he DID fight some of the best heavyweights from 1900 to 1960.

They all knocked him out.

Moore knocking out guys like Embrel Davidson doesn't mean squat to this discussion.

Unless you're going to start a new thread claiming Embrel Davidson was one of the top 15 heavyweights from 1900 to 1960.

 

Carnera got his ass kicked by Larry Gains who was a poor mans Archie Moore

 

So you wanna judge Moore on his fights against Patterson and Ali at ages 40 and 45 and not judge the prime Archie Moore of the late 40s- early 50s?


Oh that’s really fair

 

Doesn’t matter. Those are films of a prime Archie Moore, key word prime, demonstrating in and out movement with his feet you claimed he didn’t have!

Prime Moore knew how to use his legs..combined with his other traits

 

I never brought up Ali once. I was referring to Ezzard Charles knocking him out in 1948 (the same year Morrow knocked him out).

Charles knocked him out. Marciano knocked him out. Patterson knocked him out.

Charles was the best heavyweight in the late 40s/early 50s. Marciano was the best heavyweight in the early 50s. Patterson was the best heavyweight in the mid to late 50s. They all knocked out Moore.

The best heavyweight in the early 40s was Joe Louis, and Moore never fought him.

Moore was an all-time great.

He just wasn't among the top 15 heavyweights from 1900 to 1960.

Whining isn't going to change that. He doesn't have the wins over the best heavyweights. And his style doesn't instill confidence in the idea that he could win shootouts with the others.

 

My god, Moore did not always fight out of a crouch. You, sir, need to rewatch the films. He used excellent upper body movmement and head movement to make people miss and he had really long arms 76 reach to land those long counters on the tall good boxers

Carnera was a big oaf. No skills. Valdes and Baker showed a lot more movement, punching technique, jabbbing, talent on film than carnera.

 

Excellent review of a possible Rock v Valdez fight ^.

 

It wasn't on CBZ so I checked onWiki [cant log in to Box Rec].Its listed as an exhibition.

"The fight was billed as an exhibition, yet Referee Ted Jamieson gave an official decision. Baer floored Davies in the 2nd round"

 

Charles Marciano and Patterson would all easily make the top 5-10 list of 1900-1960, how many of the heavyweights 1900-1960 beat those three men? You can problably count them on one hand

Moore took care of everyone else...including hall of fame heavyweight Jimmy Bivins, Harold Johnson who had a lot of success at heavyweight, and two big powerful contenders with skills valdes and baker. Not to mention the very underrated Clarence Henry


Moore’s heavyweight record and top filmed performances speak for themselves. Clearly he has a good case for the top 15


And your crouch argument is laughable..especially when uzcuden fought out of a crouch and kicked the **** out of baer

Or when poor mans Archie in gains easily outclassed carnera

 

Embarrassing loss to a tomato can

 

Uzcudu beat a 22 years old Baer and he didn't," kick the **** out of him," he won a 20 rds decision .