David Haye: Shades of Carl Froch

UniversalPart · May 1, 2018

Serge said: ↑

Yes but all of those fighters are non Brits. Yes you can argue that some of them might have been able to hang at the level just below Brit Level, but that's not the same thing as actually being British. I have a theory, and I freely admit there is an outside chance I could be wrong, that British fighters with 2.0 potential can not only slow down the ageing process but they can actually reverse it. If my suspicions are correct, and they usually are, we still haven't seen the best of Haye yet.
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kirk · May 1, 2018

I actually think this will be a competitive fight no matter what shape Haye is in or how Hayes body holds up.... we will see tho I guess. I suppose I shouldnt underestimate just how badly Haye might have overlooked Bellew in the first fight along with his ill fated injury, but still.... from what I saw in there I think this should be a competitive scrap regardless of Hayes condition come fight night.

Still... hard seeing Haye not edging it.

Looking forward to this fight.

kirk · May 1, 2018

Serge said: ↑

As much as he’s synonymous with knockout wins and world title belts, David Haye also has a strong connection with injuries – whether picked up in training or in fights – and has had to battle through numerous setbacks during the course of his 27-year boxing career.

Here are 10 of his most famous.

10. Mark Hobson (hamstring)

Detail: July 2005. Haye withdrew from a British and Commonwealth cruiserweight title fight with Mark Hobson after a niggling hamstring injury flared up in a sparring session with Tony Bellew and David Price.

Haye said: “How many times, in the past, have you heard fighters after fights claiming the reason they lost is because they had an injury? It makes me sick. If you’re not fit to fight, then don’t fight. And if you do fight and get smashed, don’t use it as an excuse, because you’ve been compensated.

“I remember Oscar De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Jr. and Mike Tyson all pulling out of fights at some points in their careers but I bet if they were not financially secure they would have taken the fights.

“You have to look at the bigger picture. A postponed fight after my 14th bout means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Knocking Hobson out in the first round means f**k all in the grand scheme of things. It will probably put a smile on my face halfway back to London, but that’s about it.”

9. Nikolay Valuev (right hand)

Detail: November 2009. As if the job wasn’t tough enough with two good hands, Haye had to manoeuvre his way around seven-foot Valuev while mostly using his left.

Haye said: “I damaged my right hand in the second or third round and tried to rein it in, which is why I went with my left.

“The hand is very tender and very sore and that’s why I used it irregularly.

“His head is solid; the hardest thing I’ve ever hit. It’s like hitting a solid brick wall.”

8. Tony Bellew (bicep)

Detail: November 2017. While preparing for a December rematch, the injury-prone Haye, having recovered from an Achilles tear, injured his bicep during a routine stair conditioning session.

Haye said: “Despite the recent injury rumours, I was in perfect condition with an incredibly strong training camp, currently weighing lighter than I have for more than five years, and I couldn’t wait to get back in the ring. I was ready to rewrite the ending of the Haye-Bellew saga.

“Unfortunately, after a freak accident during a stair conditioning session, which I’ve done hundreds of times before, I lost my footing, slipped and instinctively grabbed the bannister to stop myself falling down the stairwell. In doing so, I managed to damage my bicep.

“This afternoon I underwent a procedure to repair it. This was pretty straightforward and my doctor and physiotherapist have no doubt that I will not only make a full recovery but will be able to be back in the gym to start my arm rehabilitation in two weeks.”

7. Tyson Fury (shoulder)

Detail: November 2013. Deemed a career-ender at the time, Haye pulled out on Fury for a second time in a matter of two months because of a shoulder injury.

Haye said: “It’s a crushing blow. I had big plans for next year and the ultimate goal was to win back the world heavyweight title. What I didn’t anticipate was that this year would be the unluckiest of my career and that a number of injuries would disrupt my plans so much.

“Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be. The boxing gods keep hinting that maybe enough is enough and that it’s time to finally hang up my gloves.”

6. Commonwealth Games (bicep)

Detail: July 2002. Haye, then 21, and a favourite to win heavyweight gold, injured a bicep during a first-round win over Pakistan’s Shaukat Ali. He then went home.

Haye said: “I am very upset about this. Commonwealth gold was a big ambition for me and now it won’t happen.

“I’m going to concentrate on getting my arm back in shape to start training again as soon as I can.”

5. Manuel Charr (left hand)

Detail: May 2013. A low-key postponement for a low-key fight, Haye’s decision to withdraw from a Charr date with a damaged left hand paved the way for a much better fight against Tyson Fury.

Haye said: “I pick up injuries now and again in training, and sometimes carry them into fights, but this was one I simply couldn’t recover from in time. I need to rest it up for at least four weeks.

“I apologise to Manuel Charr and to everybody involved with the promotion. But most of all I want to say sorry to the thousands of fans who bought tickets to the fight. I felt it was important to let them know about the cancellation as soon as possible, so they can now make other plans.”

4. Wladimir Klitschko (back)

Detail: June 2009. Away training in north Cyprus, Haye struggled with back problems throughout camp and then announced himself unfit to fight 17 days out. Klitschko, his opponent, was informed of Haye’s injury while being interviewed by British media at his training base in Austria.

Haye said: “I’m obviously gutted. I was shadowboxing and my back completely went. I am just distraught about it.

“This fight in a couple of weeks would have been the pinnacle; everything I had strived for since I was a child. My whole boxing career, amateur and professional, was leading up to this one night and now it is not happening.”

3. Tyson Fury (cut eye)

Detail: September 2013. Seven days before Haye and Fury were set to meet, Haye announced he had picked up a cut in sparring and had no choice but to pull out.

Haye said: “Gutted isn’t even the word. Mentally, I’m on the floor at the moment. I know injuries and cuts are part and parcel of our sport, but this doesn’t change the feeling of disappointment and sadness I’m experiencing right now.

“To everyone who has bought tickets, booked hotels, and followed this fight since it was announced, there is absolutely nothing I can do except apologise from the very bottom of my heart.

“Even when everything seems to be right on track, sometimes life throws you a curveball. I will somehow have to try and make the best of this horrible situation. But, right now, I’m in bits about what has happened.”

2. Tony Bellew (Achilles)

Detail: March 2017. Haye’s Achilles tendon seemed to tear in his right foot midway through round six and left the pre-fight favourite immobile for much of the fight. He stuck in there, though, and played his part in a thriller, before being stopped in round 11.

Haye said: “It felt like my leg went into a bear trap. I looked down at my foot and I couldn’t control it.

“Big athletes have had the same operation and come back so I don’t see why I will be any different. Other athletes have come back six to nine months after this injury.”

1. Wladimir Klitschko (toe)

Detail: July 2011. Haye, having lost the majority of the 12 rounds he’d shared with Wladimir Klitschko, stood on a table at the post-fight press conference, removed his shoe and showed the world his injured toe.

Haye said: “I might not have been at my best but I gave it as much as I could. I couldn’t push on my right leg to throw the right hand because I broke my toe on my right foot.

“I thought adrenaline would get me through it but it was tough. It’s incredibly frustrating. We were thinking about pulling out three weeks ago but we couldn’t with all these great fans here.

“It’s frustrating because I’m so powerful, but I couldn’t land many punches.”
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I am actually a Haye fan, but I do find it interesting how injury prone he is compared to other fighters.

Grooveongreg · May 1, 2018

Can' find the vids now bit back in the days when Haye used to train with booth some of his pad work was brilliant to watch

His body is failing him. He' like an elite sprinter or footballer they are very explosive but don' last much last 30 without everything falling apart before retirement .

Haye wants a payday

Bellew who isn't physically gifted in that way his body can hold it's limited resources more

CutThroatFade · May 1, 2018

kirk said: ↑

I actually think this will be a competitive fight no matter what shape Haye is in or how Hayes body holds up.... we will see tho I guess. I suppose I shouldnt underestimate just how badly Haye might have overlooked Bellew in the first fight along with his ill fated injury, but still.... from what I saw in there I think this should be a competitive scrap regardless of Hayes condition come fight night.

Still... hard seeing Haye not edging it.

Looking forward to this fight.
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Exactly. No matter what the detractors say, calling it a con etc. Just from a pure fight perspective, looking at the styles in the ring and the story from the last fight. It’s unmissable if you are a fight fan.

kirk said: ↑

I am actually a Haye fan, but I do find it interesting how injury prone he is compared to other fighters.
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I think a big factor is the fact that he added a lot of muscle to his frame over the years. Muscles can get bigger and stronger but your natural frame will struggle to accommodate it over time. Add to that the brutality of fighting and the intensity of training camps - his joints, tendons, ligaments etc must be totally knackered.

Serge · May 1, 2018

UniversalPart said: ↑

If you are wrong, will you ban yourself?
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If I did so not only would it be the first time I will have ever banned myself but it would also be the first time I've been wrong about something. That's way too much for my brain to process right now lol

Serge · May 1, 2018

kirk said: ↑

I am actually a Haye fan, but I do find it interesting how injury prone he is compared to other fighters.
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It comes with the territory with all British super athletes lol

305th · May 1, 2018

Achilles injuries like that never fully heal in sedentary slobs who work behind a desk and walk the dog 3 times a week, let alone professional athletes with intense, leg heavy training regimes, whose MO has always been to leap around the ring with explosive, anaerobic power.

FWIW, the achilles tendon has a poor blood supply and is notoriously hard to treat successfully. Even if "stitched up", the tendon will not have the same range of movement and will not have the same properties and strength as before.

Also, upon rewatching the first fight, he didn't throw his straight right much at all compared to previous, it was mainly leaping, looping left hooks with the odd fast right cross until he settled down pre-injury rounds and started to actually jab and box, which is where he caught Bellew most. Makes me wonder about the status of his shoulder as well.

The twitter video looks OK on first glance but if you re-watch sans funk music and focus on Haye's footwork, he's not on his toes for 80% of it and looks slow relatively speaking. I say he is still carrying that injury to a large degree and has just learned to train around it i.e. keeping his heels down. Don't forget he could be getting cortico-steroid injections in the tendon to alleviate the pain. For a few mill, most would.

I say after studying the first fight, Team Haye will be focusing on boxing from the off, no jumping left hooks without proper set-up, jab and box which I think Haye will have had to consciously train himself to do as his entire career has been about looking for an eventually landing those bombs. The big question is whether a "boxing" as opposed to "headhunting hooker" Haye can beat Belllew which I think he can, but I see his injuries kicking back in unfortunately.

CutThroatFade · May 1, 2018

305th said: ↑

Achilles injuries like that never fully heal in sedentary slobs who work behind a desk and walk the dog 3 times a week, let alone professional athletes with intense, leg heavy training regimes, whose MO has always been to leap around the ring with explosive, anaerobic power.

FWIW, the achilles tendon has a poor blood supply and is notoriously hard to treat successfully. Even if "stitched up", the tendon will not have the same range of movement and will not have the same properties and strength as before.

Also, upon rewatching the first fight, he didn't throw his straight right much at all compared to previous, it was mainly leaping, looping left hooks with the odd fast right cross until he settled down pre-injury rounds and started to actually jab and box, which is where he caught Bellew most.

The twitter video looks OK on first glance but if you re-watch sans funk music and focus on Haye's footwork, he not on his toes for 80% of it and looks slow relatively speaking. I say he is still carrying that injury to a large degree and has just learned to train around it i.e. keeping his heels down. Don't forget he could be getting cortico-steroid injections in the tendon to alleviate the pain. For a few mill, most would.

I say after studying the first fight, Team Haye will be focusing on boxing from the off, no jumping left hooks without proper set-up, jab and box which I think Haye will have had to consciously train himself to do as his entire career has been about looking for an eventually landing those bombs.
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IMO Haye should box on the back foot. It could lead to a stinking fight but in the first fight he was landing the jab to the body with ease once he realised the haymakers were way off.

Haye should box smart, expending little energy and stealing rounds with the jab and straight rights. Build a lead and force a tired Bellew to come looking for a power punch late on. Bellew gasses so hard, he totally gassed in the first fight too.

rski · May 1, 2018

I never really found this fight interesting and still dont, despite Bellew winning the first fight. because it is a case of a fit Haye winning fairly easy, or Haye losing due to his body breaking down. I dont rate Bellew as a fighter, he is only able to milk this situation because Haye is breaking down. but I give Tony a lot of credit for how he is able to hype himself, if nothing else he is a big personality and is hard to ignore.

Serge · May 1, 2018

Bellew spilling the beans on what happened when David Price and him sparred David Haye many moons ago.

He said that Pricey cracked Haye so hard with his savage right hand he made him do a complete 360 followed by a funny dance. Don't forget that Pricey sparked AJ flat on his face with his big right hand in the gym, whereas he couldn't even put Haye over despite catching him flush with what I strongly suspect was an even better one.

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Serge · May 1, 2018

Serge said: ↑

As much as he’s synonymous with knockout wins and world title belts, David Haye also has a strong connection with injuries – whether picked up in training or in fights – and has had to battle through numerous setbacks during the course of his 27-year boxing career.

Here are 10 of his most famous.

10. Mark Hobson (hamstring)

Detail: July 2005. Haye withdrew from a British and Commonwealth cruiserweight title fight with Mark Hobson after a niggling hamstring injury flared up in a sparring session with Tony Bellew and David Price.

Haye said: “How many times, in the past, have you heard fighters after fights claiming the reason they lost is because they had an injury? It makes me sick. If you’re not fit to fight, then don’t fight. And if you do fight and get smashed, don’t use it as an excuse, because you’ve been compensated.

“I remember Oscar De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Jr. and Mike Tyson all pulling out of fights at some points in their careers but I bet if they were not financially secure they would have taken the fights.

“You have to look at the bigger picture. A postponed fight after my 14th bout means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Knocking Hobson out in the first round means f**k all in the grand scheme of things. It will probably put a smile on my face halfway back to London, but that’s about it.”

9. Nikolay Valuev (right hand)

Detail: November 2009. As if the job wasn’t tough enough with two good hands, Haye had to manoeuvre his way around seven-foot Valuev while mostly using his left.

Haye said: “I damaged my right hand in the second or third round and tried to rein it in, which is why I went with my left.

“The hand is very tender and very sore and that’s why I used it irregularly.

“His head is solid; the hardest thing I’ve ever hit. It’s like hitting a solid brick wall.”

8. Tony Bellew (bicep)

Detail: November 2017. While preparing for a December rematch, the injury-prone Haye, having recovered from an Achilles tear, injured his bicep during a routine stair conditioning session.

Haye said: “Despite the recent injury rumours, I was in perfect condition with an incredibly strong training camp, currently weighing lighter than I have for more than five years, and I couldn’t wait to get back in the ring. I was ready to rewrite the ending of the Haye-Bellew saga.

“Unfortunately, after a freak accident during a stair conditioning session, which I’ve done hundreds of times before, I lost my footing, slipped and instinctively grabbed the bannister to stop myself falling down the stairwell. In doing so, I managed to damage my bicep.

“This afternoon I underwent a procedure to repair it. This was pretty straightforward and my doctor and physiotherapist have no doubt that I will not only make a full recovery but will be able to be back in the gym to start my arm rehabilitation in two weeks.”

7. Tyson Fury (shoulder)

Detail: November 2013. Deemed a career-ender at the time, Haye pulled out on Fury for a second time in a matter of two months because of a shoulder injury.

Haye said: “It’s a crushing blow. I had big plans for next year and the ultimate goal was to win back the world heavyweight title. What I didn’t anticipate was that this year would be the unluckiest of my career and that a number of injuries would disrupt my plans so much.

“Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be. The boxing gods keep hinting that maybe enough is enough and that it’s time to finally hang up my gloves.”

6. Commonwealth Games (bicep)

Detail: July 2002. Haye, then 21, and a favourite to win heavyweight gold, injured a bicep during a first-round win over Pakistan’s Shaukat Ali. He then went home.

Haye said: “I am very upset about this. Commonwealth gold was a big ambition for me and now it won’t happen.

“I’m going to concentrate on getting my arm back in shape to start training again as soon as I can.”

5. Manuel Charr (left hand)

Detail: May 2013. A low-key postponement for a low-key fight, Haye’s decision to withdraw from a Charr date with a damaged left hand paved the way for a much better fight against Tyson Fury.

Haye said: “I pick up injuries now and again in training, and sometimes carry them into fights, but this was one I simply couldn’t recover from in time. I need to rest it up for at least four weeks.

“I apologise to Manuel Charr and to everybody involved with the promotion. But most of all I want to say sorry to the thousands of fans who bought tickets to the fight. I felt it was important to let them know about the cancellation as soon as possible, so they can now make other plans.”

4. Wladimir Klitschko (back)

Detail: June 2009. Away training in north Cyprus, Haye struggled with back problems throughout camp and then announced himself unfit to fight 17 days out. Klitschko, his opponent, was informed of Haye’s injury while being interviewed by British media at his training base in Austria.

Haye said: “I’m obviously gutted. I was shadowboxing and my back completely went. I am just distraught about it.

“This fight in a couple of weeks would have been the pinnacle; everything I had strived for since I was a child. My whole boxing career, amateur and professional, was leading up to this one night and now it is not happening.”

3. Tyson Fury (cut eye)

Detail: September 2013. Seven days before Haye and Fury were set to meet, Haye announced he had picked up a cut in sparring and had no choice but to pull out.

Haye said: “Gutted isn’t even the word. Mentally, I’m on the floor at the moment. I know injuries and cuts are part and parcel of our sport, but this doesn’t change the feeling of disappointment and sadness I’m experiencing right now.

“To everyone who has bought tickets, booked hotels, and followed this fight since it was announced, there is absolutely nothing I can do except apologise from the very bottom of my heart.

“Even when everything seems to be right on track, sometimes life throws you a curveball. I will somehow have to try and make the best of this horrible situation. But, right now, I’m in bits about what has happened.”

2. Tony Bellew (Achilles)

Detail: March 2017. Haye’s Achilles tendon seemed to tear in his right foot midway through round six and left the pre-fight favourite immobile for much of the fight. He stuck in there, though, and played his part in a thriller, before being stopped in round 11.

Haye said: “It felt like my leg went into a bear trap. I looked down at my foot and I couldn’t control it.

“Big athletes have had the same operation and come back so I don’t see why I will be any different. Other athletes have come back six to nine months after this injury.”

1. Wladimir Klitschko (toe)

Detail: July 2011. Haye, having lost the majority of the 12 rounds he’d shared with Wladimir Klitschko, stood on a table at the post-fight press conference, removed his shoe and showed the world his injured toe.

Haye said: “I might not have been at my best but I gave it as much as I could. I couldn’t push on my right leg to throw the right hand because I broke my toe on my right foot.

“I thought adrenaline would get me through it but it was tough. It’s incredibly frustrating. We were thinking about pulling out three weeks ago but we couldn’t with all these great fans here.

“It’s frustrating because I’m so powerful, but I couldn’t land many punches.”
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At the 17:00 minute mark of the interview I just posted Bellew says: ''You have to ask yourself how Haye has managed to 'recover' from all those ^^^^ injuries'' or rather how he's still able to continue with his career when in reality some of them should've been career ending injuries. He's implying that Haye must've have been taking those things Roid Jones was jacking himself silly with all throughout his prime years.

FrankinDallas · May 1, 2018

Bellew is nothing more than a blob of marmite on a dog turd, but Haye will break/rupture/sprain/strain/pull/cut or herniate something or other once again, allowing the bellend to come away with another false confidence building victory.

kirk · May 1, 2018

rski said: ↑

I never really found this fight interesting and still dont, despite Bellew winning the first fight. because it is a case of a fit Haye winning fairly easy, or Haye losing due to his body breaking down. I dont rate Bellew as a fighter, he is only able to milk this situation because Haye is breaking down. but I give Tony a lot of credit for how he is able to hype himself, if nothing else he is a big personality and is hard to ignore.
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Did you watch the first fight? Bellew was doing just fine before Hayes body gave out.

Farmboxer · May 2, 2018

I don't like Bellew, if Haye is his old self, he will knock Bellew out, if he does not knock Bellew out, he should retire..............

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