Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

Works for Golden Boy

 

Cause that’s what we do with Canelo,odd isn’t it.

 

Canelo rounds 1,2,3,6,10,11,12. Anybody can argue this but you’ll be reaching. Hardly any platform accepts popular vote as the end all especially when most boxing fans don’t know how to score a fight. I don’t care if Steven A Smith cries robbery with the masses.

Gennady just had better stamina but his power was abysmal and only fought to appear “busier” to the judges. For all the jabs HBO was trying to claim Golovkin landed, only one highlight was displayed on his behalf during the fight.

If the jab was so masterful, HBO would’ve compiled a montage like they do for Floyd’s clean straight rights but this wasn’t the case.

It was a lazy pump jab with no meat on it and it rarely landed cleanly. Golovkin did not even try to go Mexican Style when gassed Canelo was on the ropes. He also only landed single digit body punches.

A draw was justified because it was a close fight and the fight deserves a rematch but don’t go here trying to play popularity vote. This boxing, not American Idol.

 

There's a difference between a decision being a robbery and a decision being a gift. You can be gifted a decision that isn't a robbery because it was close enough to be argued either way.

A robbery is when somebody clearly unequivocally wins but the other guy gets the decision. In a draw nobody wins and nobody loses so calling it a robbery by definition makes no logical sense, but the word gift when you believe one fighter edged it is quite appropriate. (especially and arguably exclusively if it's a draw) In short, a gift is a far less extreme way to describe a decision you don't agree with than calling something a robbery. I also believe that a gift is an appropriate way to describe Golovkin being saved on the scorecards from losing because there are plenty of fans who count punches and give rounds to the fighter who throws more punches and even land more punches despite not landing the more cleaner / impactful / effective punches which is the judges criteria of how they are instructed to score.

Many of those middle rounds Golovkin was said to have won simply because he came forward, threw more punches, was the aggressor, etc. In my view, he was gifted several of those rounds simply due to the direction the fighters were moving in, not due to who landed the better punches. So while I applaud you for not using terminology like "robbery" "gift" etc lets just be clear that a robbery and a gift are two distinctly different things.

I'm not exaggerating at all when it comes to Golovkin getting lit up. He was certrainly lit up on several occassions. Canelo landed bigger blows on Golovkin than Golovkn landed on Canelo. Canelo also landed several more big blows on Golovkin than Golovkin landed on Canelo. That doesn't make it a one-sided beating in Canelo's favour as you recognize that I realize. It however is as good of a reason as any to conclude that Canelo deserved to win the fight, and even if you disagree with that, would surely determine that conclusion reasonable.

It was far from one-sided in either fighter's favor, that's the point. There are reasonable arguments to have either fighter winning.

It sounds like you're describing a robbery. A gift does not imply that a Golovkin decision is unreasonable, only that he was "gifted" it. Like he didn't really win the rounds convincingly enough for my liking, but he was the aggressor, he was pushing the action, he did land some punches and had the opponent backing up and it was close enough for it to not be unreasonable to give him the round etc. Whereas who wins the round is really supposed to be about who lands the more clean, effective punches, who has better defense, etc.

And to be clear I'm not at all complaining about shanahan14 scoring the bout in favor of Golovkin, in fact it seems like it's quite the opposite of that. I'm merely putting forth my observation as far as what I saw and what I consider reasonable.

 

Agree with all this TDBNM7 except that I don't even think Golovkin had better stamina, only that he was pacing himself better than Canelo was. I think Canelo has better stamina as he's more used to going 12 rounds than Golovkin, is younger, showed more impressive footwork than Golovkin (moving around the ring like a seasoned boxer puncher as opposed to the plodding Golovkin was doing).

Canelo had better stamina because by round 8 and 9 Golovkin was breathing heavily with his mouth open while Canelo wasn't as winded. Yes there were moments like in the middle of the 7th that Canelo apppeared to gas, and was backpeddling for long periods but throughout all of that he was was able to maintain his concentration more consistently than Golovkin and it resulted in Canelo landing the better punches round after round despite being outworked. Canelo's superior stamina showed in rounds 10-12 when Golovkin had little left and was quite exhausted while Canelo was getting his second wind and was able to recouperate better than Golovkin round after round due to his youth.

Canelo certainly had stamina issues, but it was also because he was loading up with bigger punches. Canelo's intelligent footwork was far more stamina-reducing then Golovkin's plodding forward. Canelo was using more upper body movement also which reduces stamina more than just standing upright and blocking, etc.

 

I don't have time to reply in full now, but this was a reasonable response. Clearly you and I consider a "gift" quite differently - for me if it's close it can't be either a gift or a robbery - robbery just being a stronger word for basically the same thing. Cheers.

 

Tony would have beaten the clembuterol out of him. BUT Fishnets wouldn't let Pollo anywhere near him. Cause Oscarina himself ducked Tony cause he was scared ****less of him so did Froid

 

Have you been certified ????? If you believe the garbage you posted then you need to be Bennett & the NSAC are crooked as corkscrews lol

 

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Both are incredible champions. GGG;s reign is far from over & if he can beat B Hop's record defences he must take the 160 title But B Hops long career make him overall #1

 

Yep the sad thing is he claims to be neutral yet somehow had Canelo - Mayweather a draw when even Canelo admitted he lost.

 

Great post!

How do Golovkin fans explain the fact that the fighter clearly on the backfoot scored with the cleaner harder blows while the guy going forward is arm punching and only partially connecting.

You're exactly right, for the most part, there was no meat behind Golovkin's punches which is why his punches cant be merited as much as Canelo's meat'ier punches.

People have to learn to score a fight without using punchstats as a reference, and most don't know how.

 

The punch stats in Canelo Golovkin were very dodgy and sketchy. Golovkin having his round 5 live totals padded (by 8-9 punches landed) in the final numbers, Canelo only getting credit for 1 jab in the 8th round (out of 18 thrown) when at the very least he landed 7 clearly seen jabs in that round.

Highly dodgy punch stats those were, reeks of corruption to pull the wool over the public's eyes to push the majority of the public to believe that Golovkin won.

 

Anytime HBO is involved with the punchstats, you know they are going to manipulate them.

Even with the punchstats being accurate which is most often not the case, I wouldn't use them to score a fight because simply they don't guage the effectiveness of the connects.