[CLIPS] Max Baer v. Tommy Farr

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Dec 27, 2017.


  1. janitor

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    If they could have done as easily as you imply, then Louis would have done it, and frankly probably Baer and Nova could have done it.

    This guy is a classic spoiler.
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Why do you assume that? Do you believe that the men you named have physical attributes, fighting styles, and skill sets similar to the men I mentioned?

    By the way, Farr wasn't spoiling in the footage I posted--he was opening up and peppering Baer with jabs and rights in a manner that left him wide open to straight right counters.

    Do you feel that Louis was in top form and top health against Farr?
     
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  3. janitor

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    You are going to have trouble selling me the idea that Wilder, would have the technical brilliance to capitalize upon mistakes that Louis couldn't.
    Context is important here.

    This is an 11 second clip.

    When did this happen, and what happened before it?

    If he was open to a straight right counter, than Baer was certainly the man to oblige.
    No I don't.

    He clearly injured his had at some point during the fight, and his confidence was probably still a bit shaken since the loss to Schmeling.

    He seems to have respected Farr more than most of his opponents though.
     
  4. reznick

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    Here is a clip of Riddick Bowe being staggered and bothered by Art Card, who was working at the Post Office at the time.

    https://streamable.com/b8j2u

    Why didn't Riddick just smash him with some large armed big fisted hammerhead rights?
    Why only Max Baer has to KO everyone with the first punch in round 1 to prove his ability?
     
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  5. Eddie Ezzard

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    To be fair, Bowe had only been a pro less than nine months for this fight. The clip we're seeing of Max should have been at his prime.

    The fairest comment was the one which pointed out that while we were seeing Tommy Farr jab easily at Max, it was a five second snippet. Not indicative or representative of either man's skills or, indeed, the fight, as a whole.

    My own view, for what it's worth, is that these short clips are great for generating a bit of discussion about specifics. Reznick proliferates discussion with them and that is a good thing. But their value should be limited to showing, for example, how fighter A would drop his left after jabbing or fighter B smiled after taking a huge punch. And that's it.

    To use them as any basis for evaluating fighters' careers, or head to head chances against opponents from another era, doesn't take into account the contest of the moment. And, more importantly, it shows just a tiny fraction of what they did throughout their career which would be a better basis for us so-called afficionados to be using to shape and support our arguments.
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    A few thoughts:

    1) We don't need to cherrypick footage to show Baer's technical weaknesses. They should be obvious to anybody not blinded by classic boxing fanboyism. The man seldom jabbed effectively, often threw wide, telegraphed punches, and ate a ton of easily avoidable punches because of his subpar defensive abilities. We can see evidence of all of this in most of his recorded fights.

    2) Bowe wasn't "staggered."

    3) Card kept his left up and crowded Bowe. This is a perfectly sound approach to fighting a bigger heavyweight, and pretty much the exact opposite of what Farr was doing in the clip I shared. Despite Card's shrewd tactics, Bowe, who was in his first year as a professional fighter in this clip, most certainly did smash him around in the following rounds, leading to Card quitting in his corner after the 3rd, I believe.

    4) Why bother with these strawmen arguments? Nobody expects Baer to knock out his opponents with the first punch in the first round.
     
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  7. janitor

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    These are the weaknesses inherent to a pure slugger, and the reason why there are so few champions with that style, in the heavyweight division!

    You can get away with it more in the lower weight classes, where the reflexes are faster, and the power is less.

    We could point out exactly the same flaws in prime George Foreman.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You think that limited, technically flawed sluggers have an easier time in the lower weight classes?
     
  9. reznick

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    Damn, Farr was so sharp off that back foot. That jab is a damn beauty.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    "A damn beauty"? Nah, those jabs are pretty basic. They look sharp because Baer has the defensive reflexes of a zombie.

    BTW, with the way he's leaping straight in with the punch, and with his right so low, Farr's just begging to be countered there.
     
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  11. reznick

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    Farrs footwork and mechanics are great. It doesn't matter that his right is low when he's able to step out of range in a snap.
     
  12. reznick

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    A sharp jab looks sharp whether you're punching at an elephant or a humming bird.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sorry, I should have written "Nah, those jabs are pretty basic. They look sharp to you because Baer..." I don't think that the jabs that bounced off Baer's face looked “sharp" or like "a damn beauty" or at all remarkable, and for what it's worth I doubt that many folks around here would disagree with me.
     
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  14. KuRuPT

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    This thread was a gem, I laughed a few more times throughout it.
     
  15. reznick

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    This is about as beautiful a jab gets.
    https://streamable.com/gqc1k

    It would be the main attraction at any local boxing gym today.

    Perfect mechanics, with the weight on the back leg, as it coils through the body and the left snaps out.
    While the left snaps out, the weight on the back leg acts as spring to move his body forward to get extra distance, but to also immediately bring the body back out of range, all while maintaining proper balance and form.

    Excellent.