Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

So answer me this, is Canelo being tested right now to justify his reduced sentence?
Do you think it is fair he is not forced to do so?

 

When did Manny blow up in size and go through a transformation? He looked the same at 126, 135, and 147. Even Mikey Garcia noted that fighting Pacquiao, regardless of which weight class, was the same guy (physical size wise).

 

Marquez lied about not knowing about Memo Heredia's past (cough cough). In fact, he tried to hide the fact that he hired Heredia by merely saying that he was working with doctors. Conte exposed him.

Marquez went through an insane physical transformation.

Marquez then showed up to the Alvarado fight w/ a massive amount of chest pimples and bacne.

And why did Marquez even bother enlisting the help of Memo? They're almost identical in size even when Pacquiao was fighting at welterweight.

 

It's their way of spreading the FUD. For ex. fight night weight going way back to super feather... Pac's fight night weight vs Margo was 144lbs lmao!

Manny Pacquiao VS Erik Morales III - Contested at Super Featherweight
Pacquiao: 144
Morales: 139

 

Yup. Same guy through the weight classes.

 

These nitwits...trying to make this thread about Manny Pac.... who these idiots tout as dirty, and call canelo clean at the same time. I swear....the blatant dishonesty from some of these twats is embarrassing...

 

I responded directly to your point about how about every fighter alive went through their career, until about 5-7 years ago, w/o random testing.

And if fans should put an asterisk next to everyone who didn't have random testing in their careers.

We should be applauding fighters who agree to random testing, not jumping all over a fighter who pops especially if it is a substance that could very well be due to meat contamination. I am presenting you with the "other side of the coin" to the point you were making. It's not that we should put an asterisk to fighters from the past who weren't being tested during a time when testing wasn't the standard it is now. It just means that we need to give more benefit of the doubt to fighters who agree to enroll in random testing today and if they test positive for anything, take an "innocent until proven guilty" approach rather than just pounce all over a fighter like a pack of wild hyenas and exacerbate the situation. Since about every fighter alive until about 5-7 years ago went through their career without random testing, that makes the fighters who are being tested now much more transparent and worthy of respect (from a drug testing standpoint) than fighters from the past who didn't randomly test.

IF a fighter is proven guilty of cheating (meaning intentional admitting of using a PED or being proven to use a banned substance pharmacologically) that's one thing. But when fans try to equate Nevada's automatic 6 month suspension for testing positive for any banned substance to "being proved guilty of cheating" that's when you really need to think back to your point about how fighters from the past never even had to submit to the kind of ongoing testing that Canelo was undergoing. And USA fighters don't run the risk of ingestiing clenbuterol like Mexican fighters do. We always hear about how important equality is, right? Well when it comes to drug testing, we're not dealing with 1:1 comparisons when you have unsatisfactory issues like meat contamination in some countries and fighters from the past never having to be randomly tested like fighters today are. We need more equality and logic applied to drug testing and what happened to Canelo is one of the biggest and most obvious examples of why we need more of that.

 

FFS....

 

The reduced sentance came as a result of him being forced to undergo additional testing. He was tested for several weeks up until the hearing, including providing a hair follicle sample.

It's not as if they just stopped testing him after the positive test. Once the fight was put in jeopardy and was cancelled, there was nothing to force Canelo to continue testing because it's a voluntary program that is administered as part of fight contracts where both fighters agree to random testing.

Your concern about whether or not it's fair that Canelo isn't being tested now is on par with my concern about whether or not it was fair that Canelo was suspended when the positive test in all likelihood was a result from meat contamination and fighters like Vargas who tested for clenbuterol at twice the level Canelo did wasn't suspended at all ! If you want to talk about fairness, then lets talk about all areas of fairness, including the fairness of Mexican fighters living in a country where they could get popped for simply eating food where as USA fighters don't have to worry about that and can eat meat freely. Where's the fairness in that??

If you want Canelo tested as soon as possible, then root for Golovkin to win tomorrow and have Golovkin's team sit down with GBP Next week agree to a new contract with random testing (like the first two times they agreed to fight) and demand testing start immediately.

Why should Canelo be forced to submit to testing year round (outside of a fight contract)? There's nothing fair about Canelo being required to be tested more than other fighters are being asked to be tested. Random testing is forced upon fighters by fight contracts.

 

That's not how anti-doping works. You don't get a pass if you don't admit to intentional doping. If that were the case, everyone would say it was a not intentional. Seriously, stfu and go watch cricket you pansy.

 

I remember that. Pac and Roach were insinuating Marquez was on something, Marquez responded with "I'll take any test you'll take".. Crickets from Pacquiao after that. LOL

 

They sued Mayweather for defamation. Why would they slander Marquez? They expressed their suspicion and left it at that. Later on, Roach said that if JMM was clean, he'd kiss his ass. Marquez said that he would look into suing Roach, but never did. Hmm.

 

You continue to ignore the meat contamination issue. For substances that do not contain the possibility of being ingested through meat contamination, saying it was not intentional is likely not to be believed and fighters wouldn't get a pass. However regarding a substance like clenbuterol that has been linked to Mexican meat contamination, fighters have gotten passes. For example, Vargas vs Salido or in the case of Luis Nery.

How do you explain Vargas or Nery not being suspended after testing positive? That's getting a pass due to meat contamination is it not? Canelo however didn't get a pass as he has been held to a different standard.

 

1. Needles frighten me
2. Drug tests weaken me
3. I need to know when drug test cut off time will be
4. I don't know what a steroid is
5. Floyd can't make me do random testing, he is not boss

These excuses actually came from Pac and his camp. LOL

 

Ya know what, I'm kinda over the Canelo fight. I want to see GGG vs Derevyanchenko, Saunders and Charlo. I've overdosed on Canelo and his smug, greasy little promoter. Maybe Canelo can go fight Spike or somebody.