[GIF] Max Baer showing skill and reflexes with a triple jab, followed by a sharp combo, and a slip

https://streamable.com/pxep5
(HD - Post Crisp Slow Mo)

Just a chin with a big right hand?
Do old tropes die hard?

I remember a day on this forum when it was consensus that fighters from this era didn't use sharp jabs, combo punching, and head movement.

 

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Hell no

Have you heard of a set up jab?

The third jab is thrown after Farrs head is already slipped back from the second jab, forcing him to use his feet to move back, temporarily rendering him out of position, thus giving Baer the opportunity to set up his attack.

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The powerful overhand right forces Tommy to squander into a crouch out of emergency panic, costing him his balance and footing, thus presenting Baer with the opportunity to throw his combo.

Elbows remain by the body.
Punches are thrown in smooth succession.
Hands return as quick as they were sent.
All boxes for sharp punching, checked.
The first two bounce Farrs body from right to left, and then left to right, evidence of power.

The level of physics you are expecting from footage of this period is unreasonable and unattainable. Which I believe is the root of this grand misunderstanding of old school boxing.

He slips the punch immediately after expending a combo.
It's always impressive if you have the reflexes to take away the opponents opportunity to return fire, especially in this case where Farr returned fire during Baers attack. This is fast paced stuff.

 

Well, forum, you heard him.

This is our opportunity.
Either show him what you know you see with your eyes, or remain in your bed of old tropes.
Staying oblivious just to sit comfortably in old narratives will become increasingly difficult as footage becomes better and better.

The biggest flag bearer of "old school fighters were worse," is kind enough to allow this opportunity.
Let's put an end to this, so we can finally start REALLY talking about boxing.
So we can discuss topics honestly, and genuinely without having our opinions boxed in by agenda.
This is our chance really expand our consciousness beyond the whole old vs. new crap.

I remember a day on this forum when it was consensus that fighters from this era didn't use sharp jabs, combo punching, and head movement. Look at what you see above, from supposedly one of the clumsiest boxers of the era. With the help of a special slow motion effect created only in the last 5 years. It wasn't possible to see it like this in the 80's. I understand and feel for that.

But we need to ****ing evolve our thinking.

It's time.

 

As the producer of one of the most notorious boxing channels on YouTube, I can say with unequivocal doubt, that footage quality drastically impacts the perception on exactly that. I have heard from hundreds, if not thousands of people who have changed their minds about a boxer after seeing high quality footage of them.

My ideas are backed in substance, experience, and from the voices and opinions of real people.

I want to talk about boxing in accurate terms. That's it.
Wladmir Klitschko is one of the greatest fighters of all time.
I'm a massive fan of Wilder and Joshua. I made one of the most popular promos for their soon to be Megafight with all my heart and soul.

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What you're saying just isn't true Kevin.

My heart would break for you, I, and everyone here.

 

Doesn't scratch the surface.

But I can do that with Foreman. The point is not to argue that Baer was a perfect technician.
The point is that old fighters are judged on a different standard, and are given unequal tolerance for their technical deficiencies, and somehow have a ceiling attributed to what they are capable of athletically, physically, skill wise.

 

Boxing is so much more learning the basic mechanics, and branching off into your own style, and having the wherewithal to win a fight, than it is hard emulation of past boxers.

The real magic happens when the individual makes a mental decision to become great, rather than from epiphanies watching old film. The latter can lead to some great developments, but the meat and potatoes is in the former.

Yes, you can learn a shitload from the ones who came before you.
Some, like Tyson, used every drop of knowledge that he could.
Many others remain willfully ignorant of the past and succeed regardless.
Many modern fighters, when looking for inspiration, only go back 10-20 years. Any boxing gym in any era of time will have predecessors who learned from predecessors within that same frame of time.

A guy from 1767 who can properly use his back leg as an anchor he can push off of, and his front leg as a dynamic weight shifter with the perfect distribution of balance is more valuable to me than a guy who has access to a lot of boxing footage.

This is why I think in terms of transcendental boxers.
The best boxers of all time share a space of ability and quality, regardless the time period they were plucked from (to a reasonable degree).

You can watch all the footage in the world and still be bad.
But you can move mountains with superb balance.