[GIF] Max Baer showing skill and reflexes with a triple jab, followed by a sharp combo, and a slip

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  1. BCS8

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    I'm assuming Louis took what his coach taught him and took it further.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Maybe, but is there any reasonable evidence to this besides the notion that new > old?

    Given how specific Blackburn’s instructions for Louis were, fight by fight, round by round, I can’t imagine that Louis expanded much beyond Blackburns teachings. Nor can I recall a single statement by his predecessors that he evolved the game in any way.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    For people like us who spend so much time watching world class boxers and great boxers, there's nothing particularly impressive there skill-wise. Because we see so much.

    But reznick is responding to constant claims that Baer had "no skill", "no jab", "poor reflexes", "no ring IQ" etc.

    If you saw a man like Baer and Farr climb in a ring in front of you at a gym and start doing what you see there in the clip, you'd probably be impressed, you'd probably think "these guys really know what they are doing".
     
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  4. reznick

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    To say the very least.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    I can only go by what my eyes show me.It seems to me that the greats advanced the game.
     
  6. reznick

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    Do you take into account that Charlie Chaplin physics /= Inception physics?

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    Look at the unnatural looking movements of the lion and tiger.
    The whole reason why this style of film worked so well during the time is because it made the best out of the limitations of the cameras. Everything looks slapsticky, janky and shifty.

    Today you shoot a scene like this with more sophisticated emotional undertones because the camera captures everything more realistically.
     
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  7. Seamus

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    Baer was not a points fighter; he didn't play to the judges. He was a terrifically damaging fighter who held physical advantages over his opponents. But you don't simply fall into 51 KO's in 66 fights, fighting at the level he did, by accident. His skills were not the classic ones we see in boxer types like a Holmes or Bowe. They were the techniques, more in the mold of a Foreman, where he moved guys in position, or in a state, which precipitated the greatest likelihood of a KO. They also were tactics that often went over the line of the rules. He had game-saving power and fairly rock hard chin, and he banked on both. Trying to amplify his boxer-type abilities is a bit wrong-headed and a bit of a disservice to ring intelligence and skillset (as unpretty as they were) he used to get his opponents out of there.
     
  8. janitor

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    Your analysis is broadly correct, but obviously he had a few subtle tricks mixed in there, as is the case for literally every fighter who got to that level.
     
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  9. Bukkake

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    Is there any evidence that boxers fought like Louis in Blackburn's era?
     
  10. janitor

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    I am certain that Louis didn't know anything about boxing, that was unknown to Blackburn.

    Louis's style is a bit more old fashioned than that of somebody like Lee Ramage to be honest.

    Blackburn was as good as you got for his era technically, but he was still of his era.
     
  11. janitor

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    You would be on fairly safe grounds saying that Joe Gans was as good as Louis technically.
     
  12. reznick

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    Couldn't agree more.

    Why is it wrong to show him effectively using his jab, combo punching, and head movement, when people say he couldn't do any of those things?
     
  13. janitor

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    Some non truths just get repeated until people believe them:

    Joe Louis had slow feet!

    Max Baer didn't know how to throw a jab!

    Insert fighter didn't have any sort of skills!

    If in doubt, go back to the available footage!
     
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  14. reznick

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    Yeah. There is tons of evidence that fighters from Blackburns era fought like boxers in Louis' era and beyond.
    Joe Gans looks incredible.

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    Displaying awesome skill in the 39th rounds.
     
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  15. mrkoolkevin

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    That’s a bit rich coming from you. You seem to be allergic to watching footage—even when you’ve specifically requested it!

    Louis most certainly did have “slow feet” as the term is universally understood in Boxing circles and there is ample footage demonstrating that!