The Boxrec Rankings sure are in a weird place ATM

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    They are always going to be a bit off, all rankings are especially automated one, but I thought I'd perserve their current state of weirdness
    Highlights at heavyweight include James Toney ranking 10th, Glazkov ranking above Jersey Joe Walcott, Tony Bellew at 80th, and this sequence
    27 Peter Maher
    28 Sam Langford
    29 Ingemar Johansson
    30 David Haye*
    31 Mike Weaver
    32 Michael Dokes
    33 Jimmy Bivins
    34 Riddick Bowe
    35 Tomasz Adamek
    36 Marvin Hart
    37 Jack Dempsey


     
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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    10 James Toney
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Currently ranking ahead of Ted Kid Lewis (who used to site around the top of the British all time rankings) is
    G Lymer a batamweight with a single fight on the system, a dq win over Jobey Jordan. Jordan has two previous fights a win over George Moore, and then a loss.
     
  4. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxrec Ratings have ALWAYS been Up and/or Down, the scoring system seems to change every couple of years... there used to be a HUGE gap in scored numbers with some fighters at the Top verses other fighters at the Top.

    they could surely balance and come up with 'realistic' ratings.

    1 point for every loss
    2 points for the Draw
    3 points for the Win

    10 points for Tournament Eliminators
    15 for National Titles

    20 Points for Regional International Titles

    20 for Alphabet Titles

    30 Points for Lineal Titles

    Something like that, to that effect, surely that would score fighters respectfully for their trade and also not have ridiculous spreads between Top Men from Champions to Contenders to Fringe - Journeyman - Club Fighter to No Hopers even being scored for their efforts.

    it can't be that difficult to figure out some scoring method.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    It wouldn't really count quality of opposition

    The way it works, simply, is you get points by winning and lose them from losing, the transfer depends on the nature of it and how many points each have before hand.

    I think the all time it somehow uses their rankings at different times.
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Whatever mathematical system you use, you won't get accurate results as long as there is human error built into the system. If your system is based on wins and losses, but takes no account of robberies then the numbers are going to be significantly skewed. There is also the question of how quality a win was. If you're opponent is a prestigious lineal champion but he's old, shot, and can barely stand on an injured leg, then you shouldn't reap the same reward as beating him in his prime. I also think that maybe taking a portion of your opponent's points isn't the best way to go either, for the same reasons. It leads to cherry picking, and good past prime fighters will be worth more than at their peaks.
     
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  7. The Senator

    The Senator Active Member Full Member

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    Good post. To me, a strictly mathematical formula is never going to be adequate in rating fighters. Too many variables and intangibles that have to be considered, as you've detailed in part.