The difference between Holyfield and Haye

Biggest difference between them is Balco.
No Balco......
No A level American HWs in the 90s/00s

 

the guy claimed haye could not hurt him, no mention of cooper, one does not equal the other.
no he did not, again, one fighter does not equal another, nor does one situation make all related situations equal.

 

The big differences between the two were Evander was more durable, more versatile and more driven.

His exceptional durability meant he could compete with bigger more powerful heavyweights, which allowed him to be more versatile. Holyfield could box you when he wanted to but he could also take you into the trenches and go to war on the inside. Haye by comparison was always a counter puncher who fought from range, he didn't have the chin to be able to slug and trade or had the inside skills to beat bigger men on the inside as you'd expect from a smaller heavyweight. This meant Haye had to try and outbox rangier, taller super heavies which put him at a style disadvantage as the smaller man.

Evander was way more driven to succeed than Haye. Holyfield was the underdog for much of his career, Tyson cast a big shadow from prison and the loss to Bowe meant he was underrated until he beat Tyson and that shaped Holyfield as a fighter, made him more determined to succeed. He would do whatever it took to win and yes that included cheating with headbutts and the Balco incident.

Haye in comparison attained fame and fortune pretty early in the UK and succumbed to the trappings of a champion. He was used to being the favourite, being lauded by the UK fans and media and that experience seemed to soften him when Holyfield's experience of being constantly overlooked hardened his resolve.

 

How can you make this accusation when Holyfield was always ripped, even in the Olympics, when every fighter is meticulously drug tested? The guy was a specimen.

 

Haye would have been battered from pillar to post and koed by Quawi of the 1st Holyfield fight

 

You don't see it because it would only make your hero look bad

 

Do your research dude. That box thingy Google might help.

 

Eh? Yes he did. Evan thought he could blow him out and almost went out himself. Btw Cooper ate a truck load of Evan's shots before he was stopped. This was on a guy not known for sporting a granite chin in the 90s.

 

Cooper was known for taking fights on extremely short notice hence blowing hot or cold

 

ok, you win, holyfield vs haye is 50/50.

 

Including the Holyfield fight. I think he got two weeks notice.

 

I’d say Hayes brittleness is a sign of doping. Guys can only carry so much muscle and be athletic before their tendons, ligaments, joints, bones and muscles give out.
I’m in the states and I don’t know who Linford Christie is. If there’s a stigma against PEDs so be it; but my personal belief has evolved over the years. I used to be offended at athletes doping but I’ve come to accept that they have so much at stake they’d be fools not to dope. National, if not international pride, millions of dollars in prize and sponsorship money, fierce competitive pride, the joy of doing something that you love doing and doing it longer and better and the celebrity that comes with being a world class champion athlete is too much. Plus, factor in the belief that your competition is doping, the fact that you have doctors and coaches telling you that it’s necessary and the fact that even if you do get caught you still pretty keep all of your winnings. Look at Bradley Wiggins: he goes from being a gold medalist track cyclist (which is pretty obscure and not that glamorous) to being the Tour de France champ and with that he becomes a knight. Doping pays handsomely.
If I were younger and had the chance to do it all over, I’d have so many needles sticking out of my ass you’d swear I was a porcupine

 

I never said that idiot. I said Haye is fit to be in the same ring and poses some threat. That is not the same as 50-50. I'd give Haye a 30% chance tops.

 

Exactly, when he was focused (Holyfields belt) he could be dangerous

 

30%? then wtf are you arguing, dumbass? might as well stick bellews name in there instead.