Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

Manny went from 122 to 147 in the space of a few years. And as he went up he looked as shredded at 147 as he did at 126...all the while never sacrificing his speed or power.
As far as Marquez goes? No, Manny never had an overnight transformation; His was slightly more subtle.

 

You ignore facts that why you come up with this horse****. Pac was the same fighter from 126 to 147. His fight night weights are the same. He has not changed physically, except for the fact that he is not starving himself to make the weight. He even has said as much in interviews. He'd rather fight at his walk around weight because he prefers to have a full stomach rather than starve.

Fluid is not a hypocrite, he's a fraud. And you're basing this BS opinion on the back of a fraud.

Btw, are you saying that hiring Ariza was suspicious? He's got a BS from San Diego in exercise science, specifically kinesiology. Rofl, you mean having a S&C regiment based in modern science is suspicious? GFTO. That said, Pac didn't like the results because it made him slower. One of the big reasons that lead to Pac dropping him besides Ariza's own craziness, is because all he wanted to do was bulk Pac up. Roach told him he didn't care what he did as long as Pac did not lose his speed. Pac's game was never predicated on power you nub. That's why when he went against his biggest foe, he said F it, I'm not bulking up. He weighed in at 144 ****ing lbs giving up 5-6lbs to margo on the scale.

 

Oh okay I thought you thought he was juiced for 1 and 2. I’m not convinced he was juiced for 3 but 4 definitely has all the sign of PED use.

 

Incredible Hulk? LOL!
.....and what did Pacquiao turn into?
I'll have you know that one Manny Pacquiao a naturally smaller fighter than Marquez, outweighed Marquez both officially and unofficially in all 4 of their fights, yet its Marquez who gets accused of bulking up???????
Explain that one???

 

I found these points on one of the internet blogs regarding the issue above, that I would like to share.
It is not my own opinion but one that I thought make a lot of sense.

1) Canelo was tested unexpectedly 11 weeks from the fight. Most camps are 6-8 weeks and this is typically when the fighters are tested. Abel Sanchez allegedly lobbied for more stringent testing, and this is why Canelo was tested so far back.

2) Canelo waited 5 weeks to have his hair tested. There is a lot of confusion regarding the headlines about this and i wanted to make the following clear, because 98% of articles are blindly repeating the same thing erroneously without researching or having a basic knowledge of chemistry. The hair test was NOT performed to determine the origin of the Clen. An endogenous chemical like clen taken from meat or from a syringe or from a strippers butthole will look exactly the same in the body - like Clen. It's not going to change and analyzing one's hair doesn't give a hint of the origin of the clen. It's like looking at someone's fecal matter and trying to determine if the protein they consumed was from beef purchased at McDonalds or Burger King. That's simple not how it works.

I researched steroid testing (there's entire forums with olympic and professional athletes giving each other advice on how to pass tests), and the only thing I could find which would give the media/Golden Boy this idea of hair testing was one person postulating on an independent website "High levels of Clen in hair could potentially indicate long term use." What it doesn't mention is that Clen is not needed long term, a 4 week cycle is enough, and furthermore long term use of Clen is actually counter productive, as the body builds a tolerance (much like any endogenous chemical) and becomes ineffective over longer periods of time.

What NO main stream media article includes is the fact that many factors come into play with hair testing to determine consistent use: the length of one's hair, the time which has passed since the substance was taken (5 weeks anyone?), the dose of the chemical (I believe clen is taken in micro-gram doses), etc.

3) He literally tested positive twice. If the mainstream media was correct that "clen stays in the hair for 6 weeks' he should have tested positive with his hair test regardless, just in lower levels "not consistent with long term use." Again, this is poor research from the media. No one seems to question why the test returned negative when he tested positive twice before. By their own logic regarding the hair test, they've contradicted themselves and failed to see it.

4) Here is where a bit of research and speculation come into play. Earlier this year the WBC personally released a list of Boxers not enrolled in VADA testing. ******* posted this list. Canelo's name was not on the list, making it seems as though he was indeed enrolled in the testing. It is a requirement for anyone competing for a WBC belt to be enrolled in VADA testing. It was announced during the hearing that VADA personally stated Canelo is not currently enrolled, nor has he been enrolled in VADA's volunatry testing program. He was tested this time because it's in the fight contract, not because he's voluntarily enrolled in the program. I find it very strange that the WBC president has been blindly supportive of Canelo being clean despite Canleo not being enrolled into a program he requires his champions to be enrolled in. It also makes me wonder why he refused to fight for the WBC title last year. I would like to research when the WBC made these mandates with regards to being tested, if it was before or after Canelo fought Cotto. To me this is a clear indication that there is something suspicious at play.

4) It seems as though (i've read this though haven't been able to find official rules), that now that Canelo is suspended, he's out of jurisdiction to be tested. He's also not enrolled in any voluntary testing. So the next potential time he has to be tested is in the window before his september fight, five months to eat as much meat as he wants. This is also highly suspicious from a man that insists he will do anything to prove he's a clean fighter.

Feel free to discuss

 

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Great post get ready for Isal and Shadow to run in do defend Canello while doing their best to ignore the information provided.

 

Ill start the discussion with what sources did the bloggers use?

 

I'll bite what sources have you used in your defense of Canelo to claim that it is a fact that his steroid use was accidental.

 

It's his personal opinion based on his own research on the matter.

 

You're not biting. Im asking for sources for all these claims and allegations. I don't want to discuss something if it's made up.

Its not a fact. What it is, its the benefit of the doubt I give Canelo. He's passed every test leading up to his failed tests and passed every test thereafter.

He even gave a hair follicle test that is capable of detecting usage for at least 6 months.

The values found in his system were consistent with consuming meat contamination according to VADA.

I usually give first or one time offenders the benefit of the doubt. Tyson Fury and Vitali Klitschko for example. I don't see why I should measure Canelo with a different stick.

So here is what we know regarding Canelo's case;

-Has tested clean for every test leading up to the two Feb tests.
-Mexico has a real tainted meat problem
-Values found in tests were consistent with meat consumption tainted with clenbeturol
-Tested clean for 3 additional tests in March.
-Fully cooperated with the investigatiom2
-Agreed to Hair follicle test and came back clean

That's what we know to be true, so Im inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Then why is re unwilling to be tested now if he is clean.

 

Some of those claims require sources.

 

To the contrary, I'm happy to set the record straight on any of the points that need clarification.

No one made the argument that it was performed to determine the origin. It was demanded by many Golovkin fans who claimed that a hair test would show that Canelo was using the substance regularly and cycled off it before testing started since it dates back farther.

To your point, the whole argument that Canelo was using clenbuterol regularly and intentionally is highly illogical. It's impossible to prove it either way, but the fact is that many Golovkin fans demanded the hair test to show if he was using it regularly becuase they thought he was. Turns out it came back negative to no surprise. Basically, what you're saying here simply exposes those Golovkin fans who were convinced that Canelo was using clenbuterol regularly over a long period of time as having no flipping clue what they were talking about lol.

Exactly, the amount of contradictions and the mental gymnastics involving in trying to argue that Canelo cheated are endless. The two positive tests were taken 3 days apart and were only trace amounts. (about half the amount that Nery and Vargas tested positive for) Canelo's samples two days a part for trace amounts are consistent with meat contamination. There is nothing to suggest that he was taken clenbuterol intentionally period.

His refusal to fight for the WBC Title last year had nothing to do with the testing procedures. He was being tested for that fight. It's well known that Canelo's beef with the WBC stemmed from how the WBC President gave him a timetable following his win over Khan to agree to fight Golovkin.

That's true that Canelo's name was not on the list of those not enrolled in VADA testing. As to the rumors that "VADA personally stated Canelo is not currently enrolled" at the hearing, it's unclear what that was referring to. He was obviously enrolled in VADA testing prior to the hearing because he tested positive for clenbuterol in February. I really don't know if him not being "currently" enrolled in VADA was due to the fact that the NSAC "temporarily suspended" him prior to the hearing. I think that fans are reacting to the report that he isn't enrolled in VADA as some sort of decision on Canelo's part to not be tested. When in reality, the suspension may have caused it, but it's unclear.

That's the point I just made in the other topic. The WBC CBP specificies that its protocols only applied to "Eligible Boxers" to which Canelo is not since he's suspended. That doesn't mean that he can't be tested, it just means he's not required to be tested since he's not considered an eligible boxer.

If he and Golovkin sign a contract to fight this month and include VADA testing, I don't see why Canelo couldn't be tested during the remainder of his suspension along with Golovkin.

 

The key man.. It's PAPA Sulaiman.

He makes the moves behind the scene.

Papa Sulaiman has Caudras and Cownelnos back.

Bacne or not.

He has their full support.

WBC should be under investigation.

 

I don't know if he's unwilling or not. I know he's suspended, and he just gave hair follicle samples that all but gurantee 100% he was not juicing.

I also know he's not a WBC titlist or scheduled for a WBC sanctioned fight, so he is not required to be enrolled in WBCs clean fighter program. That doesn't mean he's using, he probably feels vindicated after passing 5 tests after Feb including yhe HF test, he doesn't need to act like he is a juicer in remediation.

No WBC fight coming up, no obligation for WBC clean fighter program.