Terry McGovern in the Golden Era of Bantamweights

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, May 13, 2018.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,937
    47,957
    Mar 21, 2007
    I always thought that it was both a good thing and a bad thing that Terry McGovern missed out on Kid Williams. That would have been some ****ed up fight!

    So let's imagine it. McGovern had a short prime but it was perhaps the most brutal of all time; how does he fare against the second deepest bantamweight division in histsory?

    McGovern challenges Kid Williams for the title in 1917.

    What happens next?

    Approaching their primes are:

    Pete "Kid" Herman
    Memphis Pal Moore
    Frankie Burns
    Joe Lynch
    Bud Taylor

    Still around: Johnny Coulon.

    How's arguably the most deadly swarmer in history going to get on against this crowd?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,563
    27,192
    Feb 15, 2006
    Somebody might have lasted more than a few rounds against him at least!
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,937
    47,957
    Mar 21, 2007
    There are some guys in there who were almost impervious to savagery...and proved it!
     
  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,968
    2,411
    Jul 11, 2005
    Very hard to answer, considering the number of fights they had. I have hundreds of local next-day reports for these fighters, but it'd take a hell of time to look them all up to figure in which fights they faced somebody like McGovern style-wise and how well did they fare.
     
    Flea Man and BitPlayerVesti like this.
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    61,428
    45,917
    Feb 11, 2005
    Always have found McGovern to be a fascinating fighter but haven't read enough about him. What is the reason given for his prodigious power emerging after 25 fights? All of a sudden he was just blasting opponents.
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,636
    Mar 17, 2010
    It's not unprecedented for power to *click*.

    Based on the recent footage, he definitely had a ton of it.
    Not the one-and-done kind that requires exaggerated setup.
    But the kind that Golovkin and Louis have, where it can be carried through all punches in a fast short combination.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,937
    47,957
    Mar 21, 2007
    Yeah, he's an extreme example, but it's not unusual for the era. The same thing happened to Sam Langford and it was technique related - literally receiving lessons from an older fighter. He talks about it himself. Of the guys who wandered out of the desert and started blinding guys Ketchel did it but that was pretty crazy.
     
  8. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,636
    Mar 17, 2010
    Along those lines, Jack Johnson noted that he learned to punch before he learned to box.

    Manny Seamon noted that he kept trying to get Benny Leonard to hit harder, and that one day he came to the gym, and Leonard was pounding the heavybag with real power. Something clicked overnight.

    Most punchers say that power punching is learned.
    Dempsey said it, Louis said it, Tyson said it. And it's probably because they can all recall when it clicked for them.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    How do people rate Terry's durability? Not quite as top tier as his power and something that could let him down if he's not careful against other big bangers around the weight.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,937
    47,957
    Mar 21, 2007
    Dixon taxed him. He certainly couldn't be "beaten out" but he was knocked unconscious. He fought until he was belted out. From 1903 he was pretty compromised.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    I was more thinking of the Corbett bouts where he was supposedly fighting angry and walked into big counters early on, being knocked out by the same man twice.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2018
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    I noticed this one too... :lol:

    McGovern down in 1st but given controversial 16 second long count, as he held onto Gardner's leg for 6 seconds while Gardner struggled to pull away to allow the referee begin counting
     
    Colonel Sanders likes this.
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,937
    47,957
    Mar 21, 2007
    Corbett rather than Stribling.

    Yeah, the first KO, he was legitimately knocked out in a slugfest. If you are an ultra-aggressive swarmer it can happen for sure. He didn't have a Hagleresque chin. But he fought in by far the most knockoutable style (making up all kind of ****ing words here) and was stopped once in his prime, despite fighting some absolutely lethal punchers as high up as lightweight.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    Whoops, my bad. Good catch. I agree with what you're saying, trying to play Devils Advocate for a thread I find really interesting.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,563
    27,192
    Feb 15, 2006
    I get the idea that he had a bit of a bully boy mentality, and that he could be got to on this basis.

    I think that the fact that Corbett stood up to him, perhaps threw him a bit.