Is Lomachenko’s Ascension to GOAT the Fastest in History???

Clottey was completely defensive v Pac so he didn`t exploit his size, I don`t think Barrera`s short reach would be any good at lighweight and Linares would of beaten him, Khan beat Barrera easily partly because of Marco`s age but also the reach was too much and Linares is a smarter fighter than Khan with more power

 

Robinson was better than Ray, most purists will tell you that but Leonard`s chin may have been better.

 

Yeah, it’s hard to tell about guys like Robinson, Greb, Walker etc. Whatever footage that does exist of them is grainy, black and white and low definition. We have to take anecdotal stories passed down from the old timers.

 

To be honest, he's doesn't really have THAT long a way to go.

He's probably in the top 50 of all time already (in my opinion)

 

He's not yet, it is remarkable how close he is to that already though.

Gotta say I don't see how his #1 p4p ranking is debatable. If anything I think there's a bigger gap between him and #2 than there is between any of the other positions in the top 10

 

Clottey, Margarito, Cotto, Mosely and a lot of others were far bigger men, but none of them were able to impose their size on Pac because he was so skilled. Part of it was his amazing speed, but as he hit his stride he was very well rounded. "Clottey was completely defensive"......This is what happens when a very good fighter is badly outskilled.

Barrera was beaten by Khan simply because he was 35 years old and on the dark side of some atrocious wars. Not to mention that he's naturally about 20 pounds smaller than Khan. I never said he was a good lightweight. I said he was a better fighter than Linares, and far better than Khan. His wins over Morales, Prince Naseem, Kevin Kelly and others affirm that. In fact, Barerra's wins over Hamed & Morales are, in my opinion, better than any Loma win so far.

 

No offense, but anyone that tells you that Leonard's chin was better than Robinson's is a damn fool.

Leonards chin was not as good as Robinsons. In fact, it was far less tested. Leonard fought the best at 147. He then boxed well against Hagler, but he mostly ran. His other 4 competitive fights at 160+ were against Hearns(Welter) who dropped him twice, Duran (Light Weight) and Lalonde, who dropped him after he nearly had to cut a leg off to make weight and was a medicore fighter. Terry Norris dropped him too. We will dismiss the Camacho fight where he got stopped also.

Robinson was really a welter himself. He fought the very best at 160 for an entire decade and no middleweight ever stopped him. He was stopped 1 time in 200 pro fights and that was against the one and only light heavyweight champion of the world. It wasn't his chin that let him down even then. It was heat exhaustion, and having a guy that walks around at 200 pounds laying on him. The fight was outdoors and the ref had to be changed out due to heat exhaustion also. Robinson was up on the cards. This wasn't against some cherry pick that had 1 of 4 world titles, like Lalonde, fighting at some odd catch weight for a vacant title in an air conditioned arena in a giant ring. It was Joey Maxim, the one and only LHW world champion who was naturally a bigger man by about 25 pounds+. Basically, the equivalent of Leonard fighting Spinks or Qawi in a 15 round fight outdoors in the 106 degree ringside June heat of NYC.

 

if he can take Mikey out next yea

 

I took a look at the classic section's top 100 list. The last three names have all beaten two hall of famers and made at least five defenses of a title. Rigo is a lock for hall of fame. If Linares gets in, and he might, then that should do it. Lomachenko will be borderline top 100.

He needs to do more to make his way down the list and be the GOAT though. People comparing him to De La Hoya are conveniently forgetting that De La Hoya beat five or six hall of famers. Linares would probably have to beat Mikey and go up to welterweight to find that many big names. That would get him ranked number 74. To be the GOAT you need at least a dozen hall of famers on your resume.

My point, Linares is probably already a borderline all time great. We shouldn't downplay that, but you are right it's a long way from there to GOAT.

 

What are you talking about? Greb fought about 25 or 30 years ahead of Robinson. Robinson has an enormous body of work on film in the 50s and 60s. Some of his work as a welter is lost, but you can see his craft against some certified badasses like Basilio, Graziano, Lamotta, Maxim, Fullmer and a gang of others. It's not up for dispute and we don't have to rely on tall tales. Robinson was a certified master. It's easy to find on yourtube. Some of the videos are amazingly clear. I thought this was a boxing board. Yikes!

This is a slightly grainy video, but it shows Robinson totally level a tank of a middleweight champion with 1 punch. Again, this is not some mug. These guys are fighting in an era with only 8 divisions and 1 title per division. The talent pool was also massive with boxing being one of the main sports, unlike today.

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ATG status can only truly be awarded at the end of a career not half-way through. How a boxer exits the sport is one of the factors in assessing his place in it....

 

WTF? Beating Mikey f'ing Garcia makes a guy that currently has 12 fights and 1 loss the f'ing GOAT? Are you serious? Now, you people see why I joined this board almost 4 years ago and I have less than 100 post.

It's this type of dumb **** that has made this board a ghost town. I started posting here in 2004, and kicked rocks because of so many idiots.

The guy is 11-1 and has won 3 division titles in an era that has twice as many divisions as in the past and 4-5 (yeah, some assholes are now counting the IBO) belts per divison. So what? Impress us by cleaning out even a single division. He has a couple of good wins, that's it. What the hell is wrong with you people?

 

Manny and Floyd have both beaten 9 hall of famers. Lomachenko has 1 maybe 2. He'd best get cookin' if he's going to find another 7 before he retires.

 

Doesn't necessarily have to be Hall of Famers. I've already outlined what he can do.

Beat and unify w/ Beltran.
Beat and unify w/ Mikey.
Beat the winner of Horn/Crawford.
Beat and unify w/ Spence/Thurman.
Defend 147 title against Spence/Thurman.
Defend 147 titles against Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia.

 

You missed off Tony Bellew...