Is Lomachenko’s Ascension to GOAT the Fastest in History???

How can he be much faster? He was barely quicker than Linares single punch to single punch.

5 times the chin of khan is not saying much. The smarter fighter attribute, yea that's a given.

 

Thank you sir. This guy would’ve got KTFO by a 135 pound Shane Mosley and complains in every fight about phantom fouls. He’s not even proven yet but we already have a blueprint out on him by a gatekeeper who was a cherry pick gone wrong (they were so over confident, they didn’t mind Salido coming in over the weight limit) and he’s been tagged and floored by a guy with this pathetic resume.

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These people are clowns who buy into any bs they’re spoon fed.

 

Who exactly did Mayweather beat that Loma cannot find? Very few, if any, of his wins were against prime greats. We all know what PAC did very well may never be duplicated again, but he was (probably) saucing and was an athletic freak who could support moving up so many weight classes.

Loma still has 135 to obliterate and then if he goes to 140, at say 31-32 years old, still plenty of time to dominate.

I don’t see how one could hold a 396-1 career amateur record AGAINST him. He has the greatest amateur career in boxing history, and now he’s doing unprecidented things as a professional.

There are fights out there that will cement him as an all-time great. He just needs to secure them (something Golovkin has had much trouble with his prime) and win.

I think cleaning out 135 (must include Garcia) and then eventually taking a title at 140 makes him an ATG.

 

How many hall of famers did Manny and Floyd beat in their first 12 fights?

Thought so.

Loma isn’t on the back 9, his career is just heating up.

People knew we were seeing special fighters in PBF and Manny when they were rising, and Loma is no different. Their careers kept ascending because their talent was undeniable. And Loma is no different.

He’s in that echelon of boxing talent. Some may need further proof, others may already see it. We’ll all be there eventually.

 

I don't agree with the saucing part especially since no one was claiming that before the Mayweather's accused him of it, but whatever. We all knew who needed them drugs and iv bags.

I agree that Loma needs to clean a division out. But I don't think the things he's done are necessarily out of this world unprecedented. The guy is obviously world class before turning Pro. Thus turning Pro is only worthwhile if he can get the top fights. For me at least his success was expected. It wasn't a question of could he but how much can he catch up to the ATGs in the limited time he has before his physical prime starts dropping off. Did anyone expect him to toil away fighting scrubs for 20 fights before stepping up? No, of course not. It would be a totally different thing if he did what he did w/o them 400 fights in the ams and instead turning Pro at 20 yrs old. I think the lame boxing media has blown his feats out of proportion.

I liken it to the NBA. Jordan lit up the league from day 1 as a true rookie out of college. Loma stayed in the ams for a long ass time, maxed his skill then turned Pro. It's not the same feat as Jordan coming out of college and scoring 63pts on the great Boston team of that era. That said he is doing an excellent job no doubt.

 

Twelve shmelve he's 30. By his age Pacquiao had beaten Sasakul, Ledwaba, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, and De La Hoya. Mayweather had beaten Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales, and De La Hoya and was in his 5th weight class. Lomachenko has got five or six years tops before he retires. He won't do as much as they did. It's not possible only fighting twice a year.

 

I’m huge PAC fan but I can’t comprehend what he did without accepting he had to be on something unnatural. I also firmly believe Mayweather was more guilty in their fight than anything can be proven against PAC.

I just don’t see holding it against someone if they can’t get the fights. Whatever the reason, be it nobody in the era or nobody willing to step in. This isn’t a league where eventually the best HAVE to meet. Golovkin (the most recent example) clearly lost out on valuable scalps because they refused to fight him. But should it be held against a fighter if nobody is there at his prime? Clean it out in dominating fashion.

Because you, and many, expected this success, does it make it any less impressive?

And as for your NBA comparison, I think it’s the exact opposite. He may not be MJ but he’s Lew Alcindor. He spent the time in college (compared to the Kobe’s and LeBron’s straight out of HS) and dominated immediately thereafter. Loma is the greatest NCAA player ever who’s already won Rookie of the Year, MVP, and Finals MVP in the pros.

 

So those two, who fought COUNTLESS HOF’ers.... fought into their 40’s (or PAC will close in on it if he doesn’t keep going).

But Loma (with his “severely limited experience”) has 5-6 years TOPS before he retires?!?!? Do you even think before you type? What logic do you have that Loma has to retire by 36 yet those two have been in their with all those guys Loma can only wish he could beat kept going years past that? He spent most of his 20’s with headgear smoking other amateurs. He could go past them.

C’mon man, Loma has PLENTY of time to firmly establish himself as an all-time great. Only a fool would think otherwise.

 

I don't necessarily hold it against GGG that he didn't have a good promoter the first couple of years so he languished in Europe, or that once he got better promotion everybody ducked him. However, I can't give him "coulda shoulda" points, and act like he accomplished everything he was capable of. He's got a lot of unrealized potential. Lot of guys like that. I feel like Mayweather could have done a lot more if he'd wanted to, but he didn't. You have to rate people based on what they accomplished and not what you think they might possibly have accomplished under optimal conditions. Hell, Mike McCallum could have been a part of the fab 4 if Stewart had liked him as much as Hearns. At the end of the day, the record is what it is, and you can only judge a fighter by what he achieved.

GGG doesn't have the greatest resume and neither does Lomachenko. When it comes to Lomachenko, I do blame him for not turning pro four years earlier. He wasted a lot of time. His record is less than because of choices he made as an adult. For that, he's culpable. He's a lot like Calzaghe, or Holmes, who pissed away years not fighting the best. Lomachenko effectively ducked Chris John, Gamboa, Uchiyama, and Mikey Garcia by not turning pro earlier.

 

You forgot to add to fight Wilder and Joshua

 

Boxing is no country for old men. How many featherweights can you recall who fought at the top level late into their thirties?

 

Jose Luis Castillo

Mayweather lost the first fight in a close battle, Mayweather did his thing in the 2nd.

Lest we forget how Lomachenko lost to 36 year old Orlando Salido who doesn't have the skills, or chin El Temible had in his prime. The skilled pressure and strength would present more problems for Loma than what he had with Salido.

Its hard for make Loma out to be some invincible guy when he's already lost and is yet to fight another strong pressure fighter since the Salido fight. I believe a prime JLC would be the favorite against Lomachenko.

Thats not to say I think he's not special, he most certainly is. In fact I would make him the favorite against any boxer or boxer puncher in and around his division, including Mikey Garcia with maybe 140 being a bit too high for him against the young JrWWs who eventually be WW or SWW.

3 divisions after 11 pro fights is very impressive on paper. Putting more context to it, 11 pro fights at the mature age of 30 with +397 amateur fights under his belt. Still impressive on paper, its an official record.

It shouldn't be put passed him that he may have been able to possibly win titles in three divisions in his early 20s like ATGs ODLH, W. Benitez, Pacquiao did.

Him being an ATG is completely subjective right now. He's trending well, though, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Rigo is his best win on paper, Linares is his best win based on overall ability. Depsite Linares having his flaws, Lomachenko showed he could come back from adveristy, keep his composure, and not be intimidated.

 

I would say this is especially true in the lower weight classes.

 

I don’t get the unrealized potential, to be honest. We all want scalps. We want a HOF’er. Good! Now we want 2! Ok prove you can beat a third! But what about a fourth?!

We are watching greatness. We didn’t need to wait for LeBron tocgo to Miami to know he was a special basketball talent. Maybe some did, but if you actually watch what he was doing, it wasn’t surprising, it was only a matter of time.

Loma will get there. His RESUME may not be there (yet), but his TALENT is clear. I don’t consider become the most decorated amateur ever to be a waste. Of those guys you mentioned (not including Garcia, who still can be one half of a prime mega fight), who do you realistically think beats Loma? Loma is in the pros now, and is not wasting any time fighting bums or ducking. He’s taking on the very best willing to fight him.


In five years time, this will not be a question of whether he is an all-time great, but was he better than *insert ATG here*?

 

In boxing you prove yourself by the opposition you fight and when you fight them.

No one ever became an ATG because they looked incredible against the heavy under dogs. You become great when you prove yourself against real challenges.

Lomachenko looks the part, Im excited to see where he goes. We'll see where he ends up, would like to see him against Berchelt or some other top pressure fighter see how he reacts.