Where does Duilio Loi rank all time?

Wow...I shall return to this thread...I'm just brain dead right now.

 

I believe it to be the # 1 soy sauce around.

 

Loi is in the Hall of Fame and deserves to be.

Terrific stat record, also beat Carlos Ortiz two of three in Carlos' prime, and went even in a three bout series with Eddie Perkins. Loi was aging at the time he fought both of them.

Loi was never KO'd in something like 126 fights, and I think was only off his feet once. Somehow Joe Brown did not defend against him in the late 1950's.

A great fighter for sure. Too bad he didn't fight a few more world class types, but he was seriously good.

 

This guy Loi was seriously good...I wish he and Nicolino Locche had met.

 

Loi was a very good fighter but his wins over Ortiz and Perkins were absolute robberies.

 

No they weren't. The first two fights with Ortiz were close, and split. There were those who thought Loi edged Ortiz in San Francisco. The third Ortiz fight was pretty decisive, I think. Loi knocked Ortiz down in that one.

The wire service had the third Perkins fight a draw, but had the draw with Perkins a win for Loi. Again very close fights, so hardly robberies.

I would note again that Loi was the aging fighter, in his thirties. Ortiz and Perkins were in their primes.

I watched the first Ortiz-Loi fight on the tube, and I remember it as being very competitive. Can't remember who I thought won.

 

Box Rec states all the 5 fights were close and, as you say Loi was 33 for the last one.

 

Bull****. The first Loi-Ortiz fight is considered lost. You didn’t watch it on YouTube. I have the other two complete along with the Perkins fight and they were robberies to the point that the refs weren’t even counting clean knockdowns on Loi. I love when people who can only read bogus wire reports pop off about fights they’ve never seen like they were ringside.

 

Lol

 

"The first Loi-Ortiz fight is considered lost. You didn't watch it on youtube."

No. I watched it live back in 1960. It as on ABC with Jack Drees doing the commentary. Long time ago, though, but I remember that it was a close fight.

If you have these complete fights, put them up so we can all look at them and judge for ourselves.

 

Boxrec also states Perkins was down in the first and fourteenth rounds. Nope. The first was a clear slip and was ruled as such by the referee when Perkins back leg slipped almost out of the ring on the wet canvas. In the fourteenth Loi literally put his leg behind Perkins and tripped him and that as well was called correctly by the ref as not a knockdown (although no warning or anything else was issued despite Loi clearly owning up to it and apologizing to Perkins). Boxrec never mentions the clean three punch combination knockdown that Ortiz scores on Loi, which wasn't even acknowledged by the ref but was picked up by the press. Perkins completely outboxed Loi in all three of their fights. Loi was competitive because he stayed in close and mauled but Perkins was the one landing clean scoring shots and fighting his fight. Loi was fighting to spoil, not to win. Ortiz is an entirely different matter. Ortiz was clearly the bigger fighter in their 2nd and 3rd fights and simply bossed Loi. Yes, Loi did score a clean knockdown in the sixth but Ortiz scored a knockdown every bit as clean as Loi's in the fifteenth and it was totally ignored. Beyond that he was forcing the fight, landing the cleaner, harder punches compared to Loi who grabbed and at best shoe shined to the body intermittently or rabbit punched (which aren't even scoring punches). How two judges came away from that fight with five and eight points of daylight between the fighters is ridiculous. Frankly the other judge, having it a three round difference is bad enough and that was Frankie Carter who was usually a pretty good judge. Boxrec also has several fights on Jeff Merritts record which never happened. They also periodically have Jack Dempsey defending his title against his middleweight sparring partner and stablemate Jimmy Darcy in what was actually an exhibition. Boxrec is only as good as the guy entering the data.

 

Regardless, I wasn't disputing the first Ortiz-Loi fight. I was disputing the two you haven't seen and the two Perkins fights. All which I have seen. If you care to dispute those with something other than boxrec, as in your first hand thoughts on how the fights played out we can do that. Otherwise you are just a middle man for a nameless AP report with less than a paragraph worth of actual details on the fight. I'm comfortable with my position.