Prime James J. Jeffries vs Jack Johnson

Once again tho, the question is who would beat who prime vs prime

Jeffries beat fitzsimmons twice, corbett twice, sharkey twice, armstrong and griffin all in their primes

Both johnson and jeffries fought choynski very early in their careers....Jeffries drew with him, while johnson was ko'd in 3 rounds

Imo in his prime jeffries was also the better athlete as he was nearly 230 solid pounds and could run 100m dash in the low ten seconds and supposedly had very impressive long jump as well

 

If Jeffries could run 100meters in the low ten seconds he would have held the world record in the early1900's!

No one got below 10.5 until 1921 when Charley Paddock recorded time of 10.4.
Jeffries had nearly 50 pounds on Choynski!

 

I'm confused. Are there now 2 Suzie Qs?

 

Yup,this guy and the sensible one.

 

Well I guess if you already chose yr name you cant change it. I'd love to change just don't know , how

 

so a draw then

 

its proportions not weight. reach height etc give u the advantages.

weights just a easy way to create divisions.

 

Nope Johnson is quoted as saying, and it is a verified quote that he always knew he could beat Jeffries.
Jeffries told O. F. Snelling of the Times, on the train going home after the fight that he ,"could never have beaten Johnson in a thousand years"

 

so its a johnson win then, before the 3rd millenium anyway.

 

I think it was 100 yards that was for

 

I have tried to verify Jeffries athletic accomplishments with primary sources, with mixed success.

His feats of strength are very well supported by primary evidence.

So is the punch test, where he scored a higher number than Frank Bruno 80 years later.

His track accomplishments however are not.

 

It is a fact that different machines record different psi's. As to Jeffries feats of strength they sound remarkably similar to those lauded over in Sullivan's time,hoisting 400lbs bales of hay, lifting wagons off of trapped men etc pushing three men out of the way because they couldn't lift a massive drainage pipe which he proceeded to put in place himself.Strange he couldn't out muscle the 19lbs lighter Johnson .
No doubt he was a strong man but he was fighting smaller ,older ,inactive men , did he record any results against them that would not be expected by a competent 227lbs fighter enjoying the same massive physical and youthful, advantages?

 

I doubt the consistency between tests years apart myself, but you can make what you will of it.

Either way, both tests are backed by primary sources.

No.

Jeffries feats of strength were witnessed by multiple journalists, and are supported by photographic evidence in some cases.

That is as well verified as anything from that era ever gets!

Not especially, but that says more about them than him.

Those smaller inactive men, were going up against a man who was basically as strong as George Foreman, and might have hit as hard as Frank Bruno!

Those were the real men!

 

Ever seen any of those photographs?
How convenient reporters just happened to be there when Jeffries hoisted these huge bales of hay, and lifted these unliftable pipes,they must have haunted his alfalfa farm!
Contemporary journalists thought Sullivan and Fitz hit appreciably harder than Jeffries ,I have a couple of articles saying so.
Jeffries reputation/legend is surrounded by Paul Bunyan like mythology ,moose on shoulders etc,I suppose some need heroes and for those that do ,Jeffries fits the bill ,being big and strong and the right complexion.The fact he was a thorough going racist bigot, a grumpy, taciturn, surly man who reneged on his gambling losses, a man who disliked the general public , is rightly forgotten ,lets judge him on his boxingresults.Let's judge Johnson on them too!

The strongest man to ever box was without doubt Paul Anderson, and he was absolutely useless . Georges Hackenshmidt tried his hand at it and he was useless too,recently we have has Mariusz Po--- whatever the spelling is.
What does it mean in regard to Jeff and Johnson? I think you would agree F.A.!

 

Yes I have seen these photographs, they are on your book shelf!

It is not convenient that reporters were there, these things took place during his training camps, when journalists were bound to be around him!

As do I.

My best guess is that Sullivan hit somewhat harder than either, and that Jeffries hit about on a par with Fitzsimmons, but that Fitzsimmons had vastly superior delivery.

Those were just his more likable qualities!

I agree that strength is no guarantee of being anybody at heavyweight.

Jeffries however, obviously had it in spades, and he could fight as well!