Do boxers lift weights? I’m assuming low weight high reps?

One of them is actually on this thread. You didn't read it

 

Yes He did, but not as efficient as other forms of resistance.

 

Quote the post, then maybe I can have an actual conversation with someone.

 

Define ‘efficient’, in what sense and in what setting?

 

If it’s so obvious then it must be so easy to explain. So why have you wasted all this time? Spit it out, I can’t wait to learn

 

More or less its what we have been discussing its the 1st post I put up on the thread, should not be to difficult to find.

 

What you posted? The guy doing the front flip or the article in a low impact rehab journal?
I’m still not even the slightest bit closer to understanding any connection between anything you’ve said. Either I’m exceptionally unintelligent or you’re an atrocious communicator. If it’s the former then can someone please try to explain to me what I’m missing, make the connection really obvious. I’ve been a strength coach for elite gymnasts, divers, trampolinists and they all lift weights and can do amazing flips and manoeuvres. If you’re suggesting that your treadmill can help people do that then I’m going to at least need a theoretical causal mechanism. I’ve got that for weight training, overcoming inertia by creating impulse, being able to put more force into the ground quicker causing an equal and opposite reaction. That’s supported by hundreds of research articles in peer reviewed journals. Can you match that? Skills are very specific and so are physical capabilities. You learn to flip by flipping, you make that easier by being stronger. There is nothing to suggest that your treadmill can make an athlete stronger. There is only a proposed potential benefit with immobilised people who can’t do any weight bearing exercise, with the rubber bands on your treadmill. That isn’t going to do a damn thing for a healthy athlete who can sprint and lift weights. And if it is then at least show me a case study demonstrating some sort of effect. Until you can give me a sliver of evidence then you shouldn’t be talking about well established training modalities and calling them obsolete. You’ve had 11 years and all you have to show for it is a low impact journal article saying that it could potentially be an alternative supplementary form of training for injured athletes. That article points out how limited it’s application is and you still want to post here claiming that it’s superior to weight training? Get real.

 

Okay, well if that’s the case then he’s completely wrong. Flexibility isn’t strength, it’s the opposite. Stiffness of the muscle and tendon is how we apply power efficiently
[url]http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/leg-stiffness-sprinting-13173[/url]

The acrobat did his flip because he practiced doing a flip, and because he’s a naturally gifted athlete. To enhance that he could get stronger by putting more force into the ground. He could develop that with weights. He couldn’t do anything of the sort with a vertical treadmill. He could potentially prevent atrophy to his posterior chain muscles to an extent with the bands on the treadmill if he was injured, he could definitely do that with weights and he could definitely enhance athletic performance with weights when he’s healthy. Where’s your evidence Scrap? I have piles of evidence for what I’m saying.

 

Guy doing the Flip is a Cage Fighter, have you read the paper yet..

 

Correct,
1st test they did on it plus the Heart rate.

 

10.

 

I’ve read it, why won’t you address anything I’ve said about it? Why don’t you invite the author of the paper here so I can discuss it with them?

 

Why wasn’t this reflected in the paper you posted? There was no difference in peak blood lactate levels between different groups. So you’re saying that’s what happened in the pilot study, and you’re using that as a claim? A very specific, quantifiable claim that you have no empirical/objective data for? Invite the authors here to talk with me if you’re not completely full of it, then we can clear up what it is and isn’t for everybody.

 

I do weights about twice a week for my training
The main problem with it is where it affects other training cuz of the DOMS
So I make sure to use sauna and spa to reduce that as much as possible
And shape my training in order to still keep effective training

Basically, you can't go doing squats and then go for a run two days later, so you do squats after you feel you've done enough runs for the week. And while quads are sore you do calf training, abs, some work in the pool.
Or doing training on pecks and arms, you split it up so that you can do a lot of footwork on those days, and endurance for your legs etc.

I haven't had any stiffness issues due to weight training outside of dmos
I mean, you gotta stretch when doing recovery, but mostly active stretches when training (so you don't loosen joints, cuz that can lead to injury)
Infact, I notice a BOOST in punching power and leg power about a day or two after weights

If you don't weight train some things you are really selling yourself short though
Like if your obliques suck, you won't be able to handle a lot of evasion training
If your calves suck, you can't do a lot of footwork training
Like, the sheer weight of your body resisting your muscles slows you down but if your muscles are strong enough to lift your body with ease, footwork and evasion speeds up

Um, of course you don't only want to do weights, mostly because you need "functional training" in order to build up muscles that don't get targetted by weights. So having a range of training methods helps build up a more balanced body. However, without weights in some ways you can't train imbalanced muscles.... like some of my muscles were too atrophied, so the only way to get them up to speed with better performing muscle groups was to use weights.

This all said
I think most of you guys wanna know "how much is too much"
And I think it depends on your skill level
In that I think if your skill level is LOW you won't notice detrimental affects, or imbalances it injects into your style, so may double down on a training method you shouldn't, and your skill may be lacking enough that you can't even compensate for it, so start hating on weights
If your skill level is high (both at weights and boxing) you can adjust your training anytime it creates imbalances, and beyond this you can alter your style and assess if you like the changes to style

I think AJ is the biggest guy I've ever seen in boxing
And I think it definately slows him, and causes him to gas
But, honestly, how do you target his body???
He has iron planks over his waist
So then you can't force him to gas out with body shots, so HE is in control of when he gases out
Furthermore, hes got a lot of weight to leverage behind his shots, while being as unhampered by it as is possible at his weight. That is an advantage too... just because it is "efficient weight", cuz ofcourse fat slows you more than muscle does

Since he has such a classical style, it adds to what he can do
Since hes still fast enough, and it ups all his resistences and ability to rock guys back

This is most apparent when he flurries
EACH SHOT IS VERY STRONG
Making it much more overwhelming overall
You cant just "tank" one of those which slows you down cuz you have to calculate and double check you wont get hit

As a fighter, I look at that and I know its his muscle
Not his technique giving him that advantage
And that as an opponent I'd be cautious of it, which is an accomplishment for his side, cuz he's set an advantage on his side
Not a godmode advantage but one that has a presence

So I think the question is, how much do you want?
For me its about 1.5 bodyweight up towards elite 2x for something like bench
But that doesn't make me bigger or much heavier, it just makes me hella strong and I think its always going to be "respectable". But my main attribute is NOT strength, its agility, but gymnasts are agile and they need a LOT of strength and it is the same for me.
If my main attribute was speed, I might have a slightly lower goal, but I wouldnt have NO goal.


So I mean, you just be intelligent about it.

 

Sauna, spa, stretching has no affect on DOMS. To reduce DOMS you get more conditioned, you lift weights more often. There’s plenty of athletes who squat and run on the same day with no problem. Some athletes do three sessions a day in certain periods. If you train regularly you don’t get sore, unless you radically change your training program.
One of the primary reasons to lift weights is to prevent injury, there is plenty of research showing that weight training is the most effective way to decrease injury risk in all sorts of athletes. There is also research showing that weight training is more effective than stretching at increasing mobility. Weight training also heavily factors into skill work, the less physical effort a movement requires the less cognitive resources it takes up, often you see an athletes skill level increase rapidly when they gain a bit of strength.
If you’re a fast athlete your strength goals should be even higher, power is force times velocity. It’s difficult to make a strong athlete fast but it’s easy to make a fast athlete strong.