Mcdonnell vs Inoue

Just re read my post back...does actually look like I m implying McDonnell took a dive. Not what I meant. Was trying to Imply the Japanese guy was on something. Understand there seems to be a weight issue with mcdonell....but the Japanese guy was punching very hard by the looks of it considering he wasn't actually putting that much on his punches. Its not like hes swinging them in with everything he had. Looks like he can hurt people without even trying to. Looks slightly off to me.

 

I knew you were implying he was on something, but thought you also were flirting with the possibility that maybe your Jamie was forced to take a dive in Japan.

Either way both theories are childish and ridiculous.

Some fighters are gifted with natural power where normal looking punches generate the same level of damage as haymakers and hooks.

It seems in your mind that is inconceivable that Mcdonnell lost on fair principles, on the basis of him being British, even though it was him who sought to gain an unfair advantage before a bell had even been sounded.

Look at his record and you will see it has always been padded with bums. This was his first real opponent and he couldn't cope at all. Probably the first time in his career where he's had to deal with someone who hits back and never really had to develop any kind of punch resistance.

You simply fell for the matchroom hype. It happens.

 

Couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. I ve only actually seen McDonnell fight a couple of times. One was against Solis...that he pretty much lost but got the decision. Guys a half decent fighter...that looks to be struggling badly with the weight...would be my best guess anyway. My suspicions a lot more on what the Japanese guy done than anything to do with McDonnell. I get that guys punch harder than others its always been that way. But what we,re seeing nowadays is guys punching exceptionally hard without putting much into their punches....not just that but these guys are keeping the same sort of power for twelve rounds. Even the biggest punchers in the sport from years gone by had to tee off on folk or at least put something behind their punches. I m seeing guys particularly from other nationalities turning up thats getting the same results without breaking a sweat. Without getting behind their punches. I say suspicious...completely nothing to do with McDonell or matchroom etc. You,ve got a guy outweighing him by a good bit. Much taller. Proven strong fella...getting completely done by punches that the much smaller opponents not even putting much on them. I say one guys on something and the others not.

The guy hurt him with every punch...in the first round with what looked like his normal power.

 

Wilder is a small Heavyweight in weight terms yet nearly every opponent feels the power and goes down.

There are simply fighters out there with very good power and unfortunately Jamie ran into one today.

Brook took a good poking against GGG and Spence Jnr both possessing serious power.

 

Exactly the same path as Ricky Burns and Kell Brook - win World Titles from mediocre fighters, defend against bums then seriously exposed when facing proper World Class opponents.

Today was another good example.

 

That's the difference tho...wilder and Spence whip them shots in. You can see them putting a lot of weight into their punches. Got no problem that some guys hit harder than others. Golovkins another one that's slightly suspicious to me tbh...always has been. He's another that doesn' t put much into his punches and yet the results are astounding. I notice his technique in the punch is a bit different tho tbf to him. He sort of punches downwards as he lands...which does generate more power.

But even looking at your power punches from way back...Tyson, hearns, Jackson. They we,re getting full leverage in their punches. That guy today and golovkin to a lesser extent...are punching hard with every shot without really committing to the punch. Maybe it is all down to technique. I m still slightly suspicious that it wasn't quite on the level tho. The Russians to me look suspicious.

If it is just down to everyones powers just different. Where are these British guys that can punch extremely hard without properly commiting to the punch. Looking at say our top guys. Brook gets you with accuracy. Hes not punching through people. David Haye was commiting to the punch. Khan accumulation. Bellew getting his body behind the hook. Calzaghe accumulation. Hatton worked you over. Mcaranelli fully commuting

Where are the guys that have that power without fully commiting to the punch if it is just down to each individuals power.

 

I get what your saying but you're effectively denying what you're seeing with your own eyes.

Some guys just hit hard with apparently little or less effort than others of the same weight a bit like some have better chins, some have better stamina etc etc. See Earnie Shavers, he was small even for their standards.

Also disagree on Jackson "winding-up" punches, if anything McClellan did.

 

Look at Jacksons knockouts tho. A lot of them seemed to come from the whip he got with the forearms. But his foot/body positioning was on the front foot. It was actually technique with Jackson but he did have natural power.

With the Japanese guy today tho hes generating that power...without being on the front foot. The ending for McDonnell ended with the japanese guy throwing four or five solid punches without even being on the frontfoot. He's almost standing back....and yet everyone of them punches we,re solid. It almost goes against everything we,ve been teaching in gyms to generate power. We,ve been saying the line that power comes from the legs for years. That Japanese guys positioning is all wrong for generating power. Hes almost standing back. Throwing in looping hooks. I ll ask people to try that and see what kind of power you generate with the hook. Going ask any trainer/professional boxer if that's proper technique for generating power. And yet the results their getting from it is scary. Their not commiting to the punch and still generating huge power.

Can't really remember much of shavers but pretty sure his power came from his legs. He really planted them feet if I remember right. Just had a quick look. Shavers put everything behind his punches. I totally get why he had power. What I am questioning is the new phenomenon where guys are getting ridiculous power with every punch without committing to it.

 

Just had a quick look at knockouts/highlights of three guys in the Japanese guy. Golovkin. And kovalev. All three have the same thing in common they generate their power with their upperbody. Their feet placement isn't all that important. They also dont rely on their feet to generate power. Every punch they throw is hard as well.

Then had a quick look at enzo mcarranelli...who was a hard puncher himself tbf to him. Everything came from his legs in comparison to them three. I say theres something in that. Most of us have been in gyms etc and probably heard the same thing a million times over....power comes from/through your legs. And yet we have these new guys turning up that are generating it from their upperbody. I say their generating it from their cause their on something.

Just watched haye v mcaranelli. Haye was the same...used his legs to generate power.

Maybe nothing in it...but tbh if I was to put a bet on it...I,d bet there is something in it.

Can't be sure without looking but pretty sure Joshua is another one that generates huge power from his upperbody without needing his legs to generate that power.

 

I agree, I'm all for same day weigh ins, more weight checks, the problem is there will always be fighters abusing new rules or pushing it to the absolute limit and risking their health to try and gain the slightest advantage.

But something has to be done.

 

If the rules are structured properly fellas won't be able to push the limits.

 

I'm all for that.

 

I know you are. But unfortunately ....in the world we live in....where self-interest and short term thinking rules.....sensible chaps like you are in the minority. So we prob have a way to go before even SOME of the necessary rule changes get made. Never mind the sweeping wide ranging suite of weight-rule changes that are so badly needed.

 

I believe we are getting to the point where something will have to be done, when fighters are coming in to the ring over 20lb above the weight they actually weighed in at, that is seriously dangerous for all concerned.

Sometimes it's like watching two fighters 2 or 3 weights apart, the size difference is noticeable.

As sports science advances and weight cutting and rehydration techniques advance surely boxing must move with the times instead of reacting when it all goes pearshaped.

But unfortunately it might take a few tragedies and Dr's coming out and again blaming the weight cutting and/or weight differences between fighters on fight night.

That's the only way things seem change in boxing, when fighters get seriously hurt or lose their lives.