To be fair, Jose Benavidez did get shot and lose a year of his career. I thought Antoine Douglas would be something, but here we are.
Wth are you talking about? No "failure" in Aguacerito's career, unless you consider a majority of boxing champions (and going by the numbers the overwhelming majority do have pretty brief reigns, all things considered) to be failures. I think a lot of people in here are missing the nuanced difference between guys having short effective primes and "failed" hype jobs. Remember that Acosta had a fairly pedestrian 9-3-2 early on, kayoed twice. It wasn't until his 5th year pro that he started to really hit a stride of excellent form, and he kept it running going unbeaten from 2004 until 2011. Just because mainstream US audiences only caught glimpses of him vs. Adjaho in 2007 (co-main event on HBO) and later his Paulus Moses & Urbano Antillon world title victory knockouts doesn't mean he wasn't a world class operator that entire time. It just means he was stuck in a market where nobody could give him a proper challenge. Same old familiar story as Sergio Martinez for a good chunk of his career, Winky Wright, the list goes on.. Now, both of those guys had longer primes than Acosta, so when they did land on the HBO radar they had longer to make an impression on casuals. Don't get it twisted, however, for a couple of years there Miguel Acosta was the best lightweight in the world. Then he ran smack into Bam-Bam Ríos and got ruined (partially because it was a terrible stylistic match-up for him and, not to detract from Ríos' creditable work in breaking him down, Acosta was already on the slide. Lots of guys have mercurial primes, doesn't mean they've "failed" if they went from 9-3-2 against domestic opposition to knocking out ranked contenders & holding a world title)
Erickson Lubin for me. Though it's clear he has shaky whiskers and doesn't start his lead hand back to defend while initiating a combination or flurry. Much like Khan, once he gets it in his head to start a combination, he follows through the entire sequence at his own peril. But at 22/23 yo, he's got plenty of time to get right defensively
There was a hype train? Unsurprisingly, his exposure didn't transfer any hype to his conqueror. Yves Ulysse Jr. is a little too slick and way too "something else" for the majority of this board.
Well, it got derailed rather fast. Or better yet it never made it to the first station. I, including quite a few were impressed with his HBO debut. Kinda like: "Oh, who is this fun little brawler?". He seemed like a good addition to the somewhat dead 140 division. But 35 days later he got his railroad license revoked.
Yeah, it just annoys me that Ulysse is such a "who needs 'em?" kind of fighter. His style isn't the most exciting, he isn't young, and this forum has a noticeable racist bent, so he doesn't really have a prayer of getting a hype wagon rolling for him even after picking up a high-profile nationally televised dominant win over a guy that was previously (a little) hyped. Meanwhile in Seldin's case all you have to do is be a white brawler and you've got everyone's rapt attention. The whole thing kind of leaves an icky taste in one's mouth.
So true. That win did nothing for him. HBO was quick to get Seldin back on the airways but nothing for Ulysse? Really pathetic.
Seldin really just needs to keep active, win lose or draw. That's the sort of fighter he needs to be, a man with such a raw style can't be shocked at a loss, it's something he's going to be in danger of every time he fights someone with a pulse that knows how to fight back.
I can dig it. But IMO -after the Klitschko fights, he lost that swagger. I gave the Toney the first win, but he lost the 2nd. Did Peter really outbox the shoes out of McCline that dropped him 3 times? I think one just had it 10-2 for Peter. And his heart just didn't seem in it against Eddie Chambers. Yes he won the belt, defended it, but he lost that arrogance somewhere between Vitali and Wlad.
Yup, Rios was the dude that got outboxed by Acosta..until his constant pressure wore him down. Same with Rios over Urbano Antillon. I knew Rios would only be great for fighters that can't handle forward-pressure fighters.
I can't honestly remember the last fighter I had the enthusiasm or excitement to bother hyping... Not really my thing.
Very good point. I meant he failed because if he would have beaten Rios he would have blown up. Even if he would have lost after beating Rios he would still have achieved success in the states. Either way he was a good fighter and I loved watching it. He was definitely on the down side for the Rios fight. I guess Rios got him at a good time.
Found some vhs tapes. Juan Urango, forgot about him. HBO tried like heck to hype him, not sure what happened. Devon Alexander, not sure if HBO overhyped him? Or was he an overachiever? I don't think he under achieved. He fought Andriy Kotelnik and got a gift... I thought Kotelnik would be a spolier, but never heard anything else from..anyone know what happened to him?