Is Lennox Lewis's record & resume grossly, disgustingly, extremely suspect & overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, May 26, 2018.


Is Lennox Lewis's heavyweight record / resume suspect and overrated?

  1. Yes (given the reasons I've provided)

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  2. No (specify why whilst countering my arguments)

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  1. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis will go down as a top 5 ATG HW champion.

    This was a good attempt at trolling but it fell short. It wasn’t entertaining enough for me.

    Although your exclusion of Vitali in his best wins was a skilful move.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's easy to pick apart anyone's resume if you look at with a biased eye and ignore certain realities of what happened at the time.

    For example Ali...

    Liston - Old, small, never beat a great, best win Patterson

    Patterson - KO'ed twice in 1 round by Liston, really a light heavyweight

    Cooper - Paper skin, career record looks like a journeymen as had many losses

    Williams - Shot, literally shot, man was lucky to be alive

    Terrell - Paper champion, lost his next 2 fights.

    Frazier - Past prime already beaten by Foreman

    Foreman - Crude, poor stamina, beat Frazier but Frazier by then was past prime, look at how Young beat him, Lyle almost beat him too.

    So Lewis' resume is overrated if you look at it with a biased view, if you look at it fairly and in context of the time and take account of the circumstances he has one of the better resumes of an ATG heavyweight. Would of been better if Bowe hadn't ducked him and King hadn't of frozen him out for so long.
     
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  3. BANDCAMP24

    BANDCAMP24 I'm from their cloth. Full Member

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    You're saying because newspapers didnt say someones record was padded in 90's then it simply cannot be true? Lol is that what I just read? You're entire argument is based on what a sports reporter at the times back in the 90's would and wouldnt print on the back page?
     
  4. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Lennox has a excellent resume but it does get overrated, the 90's era as a whole is overrated.
     
  5. BCS8

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    There's an argument to be made that Lewis fought guys that were past their best.

    There's also an argument to be made that he lacked consistency. If he'd never fought Rahman and McCall nobody would pick them against him in fantasy matchups, yet they KHTFO.

    On the other hand, the resume of every great HW can be dissected like this, and that includes Ali. He beat who he beat, and those are some weighty names.

    I personally have him top 5 HW of all time, probably top 3 and some would put up a decent argument for #1.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis was going through a crappy period when he beat both Bruno and Tucker, then after he lost to McCall Steward who trained McCall for his fight v Lewis came in and helped Lewis`s style out, Lennox was still a work in progress when he fought McCall for a second time and in the Mercer fight before that, if a prime Lewis fought the awful version of Tyson that beat Bruno he would of stopped him easily, Bruno was nowhere near the level of a prime Lewis. Toney fought Holy in 2004, Lewis fought Holy in 1999.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    In both his losses he fought far better in the rematches.
     
  8. Devon Dog

    Devon Dog Member Full Member

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    Yes because reporting was a lot more nastier than it is now and had this been true they would not have hesitate to make it known They would have not just wanted to pass it on to boxing fans but all that bought their rags at the time
     
  9. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's easy to pick a resume apart like this, you could literally do it with ANY fighter in history. What a waste of your own time.
     
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  10. BANDCAMP24

    BANDCAMP24 I'm from their cloth. Full Member

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    Respectfully disagree man.

    With the internet and casuals like Stephen A Smith, I feel like boxers are ridiculed waaaay more today.

    I doubt anyone was saying about Rocky Marciano 'WHO HAS HE BEAT? WHO HAS HE ACTUALLY BEAT THO!?' people crowded around there radios, he won his fights and next day on the back page there would be a headline 'ROCKY DOES IT AGAIN'.. so people only knew what they were told, just like you said. why would newspapers headline 'GGG BEATS CAB DRIVER AGAIN' they would never. But in this day in age, we have slo motion, 4 different camera angles etc we are able to say 'oh it was just a flash knockdown' but back in the day, the radios and newspapers would say 'KNOCKED DOWN AND NEARLY KO'D IN THE 6TH'

    It's pretty brutal to be a sportman in the publics eye these days. But they get paid a lot more and theres a new star every year. Would of been great to win a few fights back in the day. Ali would be picked apart personality wise on twitter now. And his fights would be ridiculed way more.
     
  11. AJfan

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    TKO 6
     
  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But he's just a stiff and clumsy euro-robot and beating such a robot isn't impressive whatsoever. Also not to mention, supposedly fought in a horrifically weak era according to many. And also was a part time boxer who didn't take boxing as seriously as his other professions. So why should we congratulate Lennox Lewis for struggling to beat a part time boxer who was never that good to begin with in the first place?
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But he's just a stiff and clumsy euro-robot and beating such a robot isn't impressive whatsoever. Also not to mention, supposedly fought in a horrifically weak era according to many. And also was a part time boxer who didn't take boxing as seriously as his other professions. So why should we congratulate Lennox Lewis for struggling to beat a part time boxer who was never that good to begin with in the first place?
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lots of excuses! Not everybody's resume can be dissected like this. And I don't even consider Muhammad Ali to be that great either. he was also grossly overrated and fought in an era where the heavyweights then would be cruiser weights by modern standard. Ali's out of ring accomplishments are arguably greater than his ring accomplishments and many confusingly add Ali's out of ring accomplishments to his boxing career and therefore give him extra credit that he doesn't deserve.

    Coming back to Lennox Lewis, he never once beat a single opponent who wasn't also beaten by another heavyweight at some point or another. Or beaten any opponent that wasn't beaten as convincingly, or even more convincingly by another heavyweight. Outside of maybe Donovan Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golota.

    Every opponent Lewis beat, was already beaten just as convincingly, or sometimes even more convincingly before and / or after losing to Lennox Lewis by another heavyweight. And some of those heavyweights that beat Lennox Lewis's opponents just as convincingly or more convincingly, didn't even have all time great heavyweight records themselves.

    This just proves not only that Lennox Lewis's heavyweight record / resume is grossly overrated and suspect, but also the entire heavyweight division and scene during the 1990's and the era in which Lennox lewis competed in.

    The absolute best opponents Lewis beat, such as Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson, were already way past their best and were pretty much shot / washed up. Except for Vitali Klitschko! Other than Vitali, Lewis never beat a single highest level or A level heavyweight in their prime.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Rahman vs Sanders was a finial eliminator to fight Lewis..Rahman beat Sanders , therefor Lewis fought the mandatory challenger who was Rahman .
     
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