Who else besides Johnson beats Jeffries in 1910?

Dempsey,Schmeling,Sharkey,Louis<Carnera,Marciano,Walcott,Charles,Tunney,Ali,Frazier,Foreman,holmes,Weaver,Coetzee,Tyson,Vlad,Lewis,Joshua and probaly the top 5 contenders in every era

Willard was inactive & he had no tune-ups he had to lose 80lbs & had not fought in 6 years so at the age of 35 it had been too much. The Willard who showed up against Johnson would be beaten badly by Jerry Quarry, Harry Wills and maybe even Tommy Burns

Oh I missed the part about 1910 I think that version of Jeffries would probaly lose to Ketchel, Jack O'Brien, Burns,Hart,Langford,Jeanette,McVey,etc.

 

I think it's not so much that Jeffries was old, but inactive for six years and extremely weight drained.

 

Jeffries said his fitness wasn't an issue ,and Sam Langford, who was in his camp for a few days said, if he hadn't been in good shape he would never have been able to take the punishment Johnson dished out.

 

After watching Jeffries spar Ketchel was convinced he would lose and conceived a plan to sucker punch him when he was introduced into the ring thereby putting paid to the fight.Wilson Mizner, Ketchel's manager pointed out the flaw in this plan,they had placed a good bet on Johnson! Taking no chances Ketchel was kept well out of punching range of Jeff when he joined the long queue of famous fighters into the ring.

 

Being in shape and taking a punch is not necessarily connected. Jeffries gassed. Possibly drained from losing a lot of weight and dehydrated. His old stamina was long gone, possibly from drinking booze too often.

A man who could go 25 rounds and be active in the later rounds was essentially gassed by round 12.

Showing muscle doesn't mean a guys in boxing shape. Ali was actually in decent shape for the Holmes fight, but stamina wise he was toast.

 

A good question, and one that is not easy to answer, with no frame of reference.

He might have beaten everybody except Johnson at the time, or he might have lost to guys like Al Kaufman.

There are reports that Sam Langford handled him in sparring, but it is hard to be sure of their accuracy.

I suspect that he would still have been too much for a most of the contenders of the day, with perhaps one or two exceptions.

I would not have given him a tune up against Langford or McVea, at the very least!

 

I think the weight drained stories are a bit exaggerated.Jeffries had over 18 months to lose weight and was down to 228lbs when he came back from a health spar in Carlsbad on October the 22nd 1909 whilst in Europe Jeffries was doing 10 miles roadwork in the mornings and working out in the gym in the afternoons.
Given that he didnt fight Johnson until July 4th 1910,you have to ask how much more time should he have needed to get into fighting shape?
"Johnson put it all over him in every department of the game.He merely toyed and fooled with the white man."
George Harting The timekeeper
"I believe he would have whipped Jeffries at any stage of his career."William Muldoon Sullivan's trainer.

 

Jeffries was down to weight by October 1909 and he was in training for over a year and a half! He didn't have any crash diet over a couple of months,he took the weight off gradually over 18months.
It wasn't a contest for that we have the opinions of Jeffries own supporters ,Fitzsimmons,Corbett Choynski,Sharkey, Sullivan,and the referee Rickard, all of them thought Jeffries would win prior to the fight taking place and all of them agreed Johnson won easily .Everyone knows it, everyone accepts it.Everyone but you.

 

Probably Langford. Maybe others.

In 1909, D. Van Court who introduced Jeffries to boxing in Los Angles saw him work out and told Jeffries he should never box again. Johnson beat the shell of Jim Jeffries. Jeffries was over 300 pounds in retirement before he met Johnson. And he drank like a fish

Older fighters can do well in their mid to late 30's IF they stay near their fighting weight/mind their diets, AND they remain active in the ring. Jeffries was 0-3 in what an older fighter needs to do to stay on top with six years of ring rust. Six years out of the game, you lose your muscle memory.

 

Nope Jeffries never weighed 300lbs, source ? Adam Pollack.

 

Johnson won easily later.

If you watch or read the first ten rounds, this was a close fight. If you have the film try watching it. As I said before, let me know the rounds you have, and we can score them putting your intellectual honesty to the test. I offered you the same deal on Johnson vs. Willard. You balked.

I'll save you time, the press and likely Johnson thinks Jeffries won rounds 4,9. Rounds 1-3 are close to even, maybe slightly in Jeffries favor based on who was making the fight. The British press for example had Jeffries slightly in the lead after 4 rounds.

Johnson was the better in round 5,6,7 and 8. Johnson likely the better in round ten, though Jeffries rallied a bit. The final 5 rounds were all Johnson when Jeffries gasses and doesn't do much

Jeffries was fat, inactive, old and going against his old trainer. Johnson himself said he did not carry him ( Debunking an older point of yours ) and wisely waited for the right moment to up his ante.

 

ESPN Classic fights says he came down from over 300 pounds.

" The boxing hall of fame says he lost 70 pounds for this fight. Meaning he was over 300 pounds."

" Jeffries, who had lost more than 70 pounds in training, looked physically fit at 227 pounds. But it soon became apparent that the six-year layoff had robbed the 35-year-old Jeffries of his world class ability. "

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There's plenty of stuff on the web. For example; " At the time of London’s appeal, Jeffries had been retired for five years and had ballooned to over 300 pounds " Johnson v Burns took place 6 days from 1909! So by 1909 Jeffries was over 300 pounds.

[url]http://thegruelingtruth.net/boxing/johnson-jeffries-the-very-first-fight-of-the-century/[/url]

 

Jeffries was not fat, at 227lbs he was lighter than he had been for a couple of his defences and he was just 3 years older than Johnson.Photos of Jeffries show ridges of muscle on him and a six pack.
Why would I want to watch fights with you ?You are incapable of objective thought where Johnson is concerned,FFS! You think the fight could easily have been a draw over 10 rounds! Johnson said Jeffries only did well in rd 4 a paper I read gave him the 9th too, that's 2 rds in the 15 rds the fight lasted!

 

Oh, he was definitely chiseled by fight day:

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But I've seen photos that looked like they might be prior to 1910 in which he was clearly quite overweight. Not sure exactly when they were taken, though.