Pacquiao shouldn't of fought Margarito that fight took 10 fights out of him

Ummmm, not according to thesmokingman. You two guys might want get your stories straight. According to him, his speed is what was responsible for his success at 147.

 

I agree that you can think that way specially for Manny's non-fans. It's your own opinion that I can understand thus agree but I do not believe that he is doping. There are 2 sides of this, one who believes that he is clean and the other side who accuses him. That's my opinion. I believe more on factual evidence than rumors or hearsay and assumptions. IT holds nothing.

I am not here to change what you think but just the same, you cannot change my side even if we go back and forth here until we are blue.

 

Now you're trolling.

 

Compared to his featherweight self. And he wasn't the puncher that he was at the lower weights, either.

 

He was blazing fast at the lower weights. At welterweight, he was very fast. Faster than everyone aside from Khan (and probably Mayweather for single punch handspeed).

So yes, speed + decent power + angles + workrate = overwhelmed dudes.

 

Pretty much this. A slower Pac is still faster than almost everyone at welter.

 

Current Pacquiao is still faster than Garcia, Thurman, Spence, Porter, or any other welterweight.

 

Before KO6 I would agree, but now he thinks a lil bit too much before committing making him a slight bit slower imo. Before he used fire off shots damn it all to hell, but now he's thinking too much.

 

Good grief smoke, get ahold of yourself! Is Manny tickling your prostate as you type?
No, I’m not going to google search names and threads and timelines to determine when the mayweathers made their accusations vs when fans began believing Manny may have doped. It simply isn’t that important to me. But in the name of Christian charity I’ll say that you’re right. How’s that? Feel better? Now let me give you a test to gauge your intelligence:
Former president Bill Clinton accuses current president Donald Trump of being a sexually immoral man. This is:
A) An incredible act of hypocrisy
B) A true statement
C) Both A and B are true
If you chose C you are correct.
Just because the accusation came from a depraved crackhead doesn’t mean it wasn’t true.
I’m asking you what I just asked titanic: why are you so against the possibility that Manny might have doped? RJJ, Toney, FMJ, JMM, SSM all doped with great success.
Manny had no issues with violating his sacred wedding vows, breaking the 7th Commandment of the God he claims to believe in, bashing in the heads and bodies of far lesser fighters, lying on a health form the night before one of the biggest fights in history and firing his long term trainer that took him to unprecedented wealth and success - without even calling him! And yet you’re unhinged that somebody thinks it’s reasonable to believe that Manny doped.

 

Accusations from crackheads carry no weight. Did you go thru any formal education? Rofl, so now you have nothing.. not much? And are going on a new tact, ok?

And when you ask why I'm against the possibility of Manny doping, actually I'm not. But it's not something I'm going to go around and blast on forums looking like a douchebag over when I don't know if it is true or not. You're woman could be cheating on your ass right now. Why don't you go confront her yea? The possibility is very real ya know? **** me, enough with the stupidity man.

 

You’ve lost the plot, son. Your insults are petty and childish. What I have is a reasonable opinion that a professional boxer doped. He began as a flyweight and would progress to welterweight. He brutally stopped much larger men than himself. He turned down over 40 million dollars and the chance to achieve Sugar Ray Leonard status and shut the mouth of the man who accused him of doping...because he refused to come to terms with enhanced drug testing!
He’s a known and admitted liar in other areas of his life.

 

I bet you're a liar in your life too. I don't actually have to bet though as I know as no one is perfect. Omfg? Because we are only human, right? ROFL, this is getting moronic Jack.

 

Bud, you had this debate at moronic awhile back.

 

Here’s a question for you: why do you think Floyd had Ariza in his camp against Pacquiao?

 

Usually in a debate you work thru points of contention and cross off points that have logical counters, but you don't do that. You just ignore and repeat. Like the stupid ass point of Pac going from fly to welter. TO make that point, you'd have to ignore the facts that he was a malnourished 16yr old fighting as a Pro to put meager monies on the table for his family to survive. Rofl... you like the flamos act like he was a full grown man birthed in the States with proper nutrition and ****. smh