Modern training has changed so so much.. Did anyone see how seriously gassed Joshua was at the end of his fight with Klitschko? He leant against the ropes and his trainer Rob McCracken screamed at everyone to give him space for a full 90 seconds before he would allow anyone to celebrate with him. He would not allow him to be mobbed because he knew it would have been too dangerous given how seriously Joshua needed to recover. I can't prove anything but it seems to me almost fishy that a spurt like that in the 11th round (as strong as the other spurt in the 5th) could be produced after several rounds of looking so tired. Perhaps Joshua really is a physical phenomenon but usually reaching the stages of near exhaustion produces a more weary and less explosive appearance? Especially from a fighter reaching the 11th round for the very first time. His trainer was so concerned, worried enough he might faint,that it was serious enough to keep everyone away from Joshua at the end of the fight. No immediate celebration! I think the training diets, and all the other stuff that cannot yet be detected in urine tests, is so very scientifically measured that the trainers know the dangers of an athlete tipping into the highest physical limits of a body. It's almost like a balancing act. It's entirely artificial too.
I know longer think Fitz looks awful after revaluating him, but I stand by everything else I said. Garcia is probably better than Spence but does that mean he'll beat Spence if they fight? Probably a not. At some point size is enough to overcome skill, it just is a matter of where that point is.
This thread is still going... It just is, look at who the top prospects are these days. All medal winners in the 2016 Rio games were super heavyweights over 6'4" tall, and pretty much all of the top young prospects are the same size or more. Why is it? Height and reach are advantages. So is weight.
Why does size matter? That's a funny question on a boxing site. It's like asking why technique matters... weird question.
It matters when discussing mediocre fighters or fighters with incredibly large discrepancies like a MW and a 230 lb heavyweight. There seems to be this autistic straw man that says the people who think size isn't that relevant at HEAVYWEIGHT that they think a great featherweight would beat a good light heavyweight. It also entirely depends on the fighter. Jack Dempsey is one of the few fighters who I would say the size of his opponent is completely irrelevant. If anything the bigger they are the better he does. Know why? Because he obliterated big 6'5+ heavyweights over and over during his career. At what point do you consider yourself relying to much on size? Would you pick Rocky to obliterate a 225 Briggs? At some point the increased size becomes useless. I mean Briggs at his best wasn't even 245. He was 230. I honestly don't think Briggs' chin could stand up to that. I mean the only truly good prime fighter he went up against was Lewis and he got hammered. He even lost a decision to a guy he outweighed by 50+ lbs.
So Dempsey defeating unskilled oaf Firpo, old inactive willard, beanpole Fulton, and tomato can Morris means he can tackle an actual talented modern super heavyweight? He obliterated crap big men. And nearly lost to Firpo. Their was one talented big man of the era, one who was overwhelmingly better than the other big men...harry wills. Jack refused to fight him
Firpo was 6'4 tops. Willard wasn't old for a fighter, he turned pro at like 30. He was still prime. Fulton wasn't a beanpole, he weighed in the 220s regularly. I'm certain that's much bigger than yourself. At least in terms of lean mass. Morris wasn't a tomato can, he was seen as one of the next possible heavyweight champs. They weren't "crap" in the slightest. They were talented fighters. Firpo was on the low end in the skills department but I wasn't even referring to him in the first place. You're repeating the same dogma you've had pushed down your throat for years. Got any actual proof that these guys were crap? The guys who saw them fight in the flesh and not on some 100 year old grainy footage of 1/10th of the fight thought they were pretty good. Incorrect. Kearns and Rickard are to blame for that one. Actually many people are to blame for why it never appeared. Dempsey was least to blame out of that bunch. Sounds like you aren't very intelligent on the era. Do some research because it's annoying having to repeat stuff that I've explained a hundred times. Do what I did and read.
But it does matter at some point doesn't it. Ward was p4p number 1, but no one would pick him against Joshua or Wilder. Probably not even Usyk or Gassiev. Rocky should beat Briggs but if he's forced to give away 50 pounds I don't see it.
Of course. I'm agreeing that it matters at some point. It just depends on the fighters. I wouldn't pick a 175 lbs Ezzard Charles over Ali even though Charles is p4p the more skilled and versatile fighter. That's a 40 lbs difference at the most. I would pick a 192 lbs Jack Dempsey over a 240 lbs Riddick Bowe because Dempsey is stylistically favored and he proved multiple times he could handle much larger men. If anything he had an easier time. Another example of a smaller guy I wouldn't favor based on size is Max Schmeling over say Hasim Rahman. Even though Schmeling was a far better fighter.
Firpo wsa 6-2 1/2 per every tale of the tape I can find. Willard was 37 1/2 years old again Dempsey. That was very old for a fighter in that day... and quite old even today. Dempsey, Corbett, Tunney, Jeffries, Sullivan, Hart... all were retired by that age. Worse yet, Willard had fought 10 middling rounds in 4 years. He had retired in the press multiple times, far preferring the action of the rodeo to boxing. There is no way you can make the argument he was in his physical or boxing prime. That is simply ludicrous and intellectually dishonest Fulton weighed 208 against Dempsey. That is version that Jack faced before the Fulton myth blew up and he was KO'd 10 times. Not 220. Lastly, Morris was so unreliable and so unprofessional when he was scheduled to face Dempsey that the hottest wagering was on whether Carl would actually show up for the fight. At his first meeting with Dempsey, he had lost 4 of his previous 6. He simply didn't train or care anymore.
Riddick Bowe is many levels above the big oafs Dempsey beat up on. Dempsey beating up on the big men of his era does not prove he could handle a skilled athletic powerful heavyweight like Bowe. Not to mention dempsey refused to fight the clear cut best big man of his era!!