Dempsey VS Sharkey appreciation thread

!!! Right on man!!!!

 

It might be fairer to list Lewis and Vitali, as Fury and Joshua came along with Wlad was pushing or over 40.

But not beating Lewis or Vitali is relevant. I give Wlad a pass on Vitali because who is going to fight your brother. What if something awful happened as sometimes happens in boxing?

Wlad would have an even stronger ATG case if he had beaten Lewis and Vitali along the way.

 

Perhaps the greatest of Tony Tubbs' quotes.

 

If you don't think Dempsey had a say in who he fought, then you're thinking foolishly. Dempsey is to blame for not fighting wills. Any other opinion is just going to be filled with lame excuses.



If you don't consider that Dempsey ducked Wills, what fighter in history do you think ducked another fighter? I'm interested in your answer

 

You seriously have a fundamental misunderstanding on how boxing matches are made. Not just in the 1920s but in the present day.

Hugo Corro ducked Hagler. Johnson ducked Langford. A whole slew of middleweights ducked Golovkin. A ton of guys ducked Lamotta.

A duck is a duck, it's obvious and clear. Dempsey did not duck Wills. The evidence is overwhelmingly in Dempsey's favor as not being his fault.

 

"Dempsey did not duck Wills. The evidence is overwhelmingly in Dempsey's favor as not being his fault."

This is true. It is as clear as the obvious fact of the United States Government never wanting to steal the continent from the Native Americans. Look at all the treaties they signed guarantying tribal lands. Who can doubt such sincerity?

 

Wills wasn't the number one contender for 7 years.

 

The United States openly removed Natives. Open a history book up.

 

Yes he was

 

Harry Greb had more legitimacy for that title. Wills just happened to weigh above 175.

 

The most knowledgeable Greb expert disagrees with you



“The fact is that while Gibbons was an opponent for HW champion Jack Dempsey that fact is a damn shame for three reasons: 1. He didnt deserve it having lost a title eliminator to a MW, 2. He wasnt a HW, weighing only half a pound over the LHW limit when he fought Dempsey, and 3. Harry Wills deserved the shot over Gibbons by a country mile. The ONLY reason myself or most other people say that Greb deserved a shot at Dempsey is because if Dempsey was going to refuse to fight his #1 for the better part of a decade in favor of white guys then he might as well fight the white guy that was either kicking their ass or making them run for the hills. The idea that Dempsey gets a pass for fighting Greb's sloppy seconds simply because they were bigger than Greb (but nowhere near as threatening) is ludicrous. Its a sport. Results are what should matter, not the shiny veneer of a big guy fighting what LOOKS like an evenly matched guy based solely on measurements and weights. Only one guy really has a claim to say he deserved a shot at Dempsey. Thats Wills. BUT if you all the Dempsey nuthuggers are going to give their hero a pass for fighting all the no-hopers he did then certainly Greb deserved a shot more than “- Steve Compton

 

What does weight have to do with it, didn't Dempsey offer title fights to guys below 175 pounds?

Carpentier was reported to be 168 pounds for Dempsey.

I did a film break down on this fight. Until he hurt his hand, Carpentier was doing all right, and stunned the Mauler with the good right to the head in round two.

 

No he ****ing wasn't, look it up!

 

You are not good at discerning irony, I see. That was the point of the post.

The bottom line is what happens, not posturing for political or public relations purposes.

 

This fight was a great example of Dempsey’s resolve in the face of adversity. Past prime, hanging tough with a very good prime opponent and gritting out a hard fought victory. It’s a great win and glad it is captured on film. It shows what handful a prime Dempsey must of been with that mind set to go with a peak physical skill set.