Who fought better versions of Langford, Jeannette and Mcvey? Johnson or WIlls?

Why do you keep calls McVea 8-2 and Joe 10-10.. Do you honestly believe this is all the experience they had going into those fights?

 

Dempsey wanted no part of Langford when he was just 20 years old I don't blame him.Dempsey agreed to spar an exhibition for free for a War Bond Drive, at the last moment his opponent pulled out and Jeannette was offered as a replacement with Jeannette wanting a for real fight Dempsey sensibly refused such a ludicrous deal.

 

Langford improved after 1906 I think that is fair to say.I also think it is fair to say Johnson did! Clay Moyle the acknowledged expert on Langford believes that, prime for prime Johnson beats Langford. Adding 30pounds of lard to his 5' 7" frame wouldn't make Langford any quicker or improve his wind or stamina we know this because when he weighed in the 190's he often huffed and puffed and lost fights he might have won had he been in better shape. After Langford had outclassed and stopped Tiger Smith in London the audience took up three cheers for him calling him," the real heavyweight champion of the world",before they could finish Langford still in the ring interrupted them saying:
"Say Boss that's not me .There's a big smoke back home called Jack Johnson who is unbeatable.he licked me in Massachusets last year and he is improving every month." Source Clay Moyle ."Sam Langford."

 

I have no big dispute, but it does seem that being a middle is a big disadvantage in fighting heavies. Just my take. Joe Gans might be Langford's best p4p scalp, but I can't see considering him Langford's biggest win if we are considering the heavyweight Langford. Again, just my take.

 

Except Dempsey admitted if Jeanette were white he would have gone on with the fight

 

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Wills did! And fought on even terms despite being very green

 

Where is your evidence these men had more fights?

I believe the 1910-1915 versions of Langford McVea and Jeanette were much better than the 1904-1906 versions

 

There is something to be said for added weight against bigger foes in the sense that you maybe won't be bossed around as much, and can take some of the punches better. Plus, Langford gained valuable experience after Johnson I believe. My only thing with there fight is, it was so one sided, and both improved and gained weight afterwards, I just don't see how Sam weighing more changes the outcome at all. It's like we're trying to scale things to an exact measurement, but that's impossible with this subject we're talking about. Who's to say what is better, when you're more in your physical prime, good vision, body more proportioned to your height, quicker with better stamina... or older, slower, but stronger with added weight against bigger foes and more experience. Who's to say I guess. Also, sorry if my post confused you at all, my first paragraph was about Sam McVea but I just called him Sam, and then my next paragraph was about another Sam, Sam Langford. My bad. You make good points as usual Edward. Cheers

 

I'm asking you a question, to which you responded by asking me a question. Let's remove who has proof of this or that for now, I'm simply asking you... Do you believe that is all the fights they have.. DO YOU believe that?

 

The burden of proof is on you...you are the one who made the claim they may have had more fights despite cyberboxing and boxrec stating otherwise


Until evidence proves otherwise, yes I do. McVea was a teenager in 1904, how many other fights could he possibly have had?

 

Plenty, look at how many fights Sam Langford while around the same age. I'm sure you're aware that many fighters records back then are incomplete, and don't have fights listed that took place. There were many bouts touted as "exhibitions" that were actual fights. I find it funny for somebody to claim to know the times, and versed on the times, to then say he think these records are complete.....

 

I share different opinion on Johnson than Mendoza does.

1. I’m very happy about the pardon
2. I’m glad Johnson at least fought Langford McVea Jeanette pre title unlike Dempsey who never met his best contenders

Here’s where you and I disagree

1. I do think jack Johnson ducked Sam Langford during his title reign
2. I do think Jeanette and mcvey were better fighters during Johnson’s title reign than when Johnson fought them in 1904

 

My opinion is Jeanette McVea and Langford were better heavyweights when they fought Wills in 1913-1915 than when they fought Johnson 1904-1906

Do you agree?

 

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That is a brazen LIE.

 

It would be far more likely so than not, for a fighter of this era, even in the absence of evidence.

In McVea's case there are surviving newspaper references to fights not listed on Boxrec.

He probably had about 20 fights when he met Johnson.