Does Harry Wills have a case to be ranked higher than Jack Dempsey?

I do think Johnson ducked Langford. Yes I do.

McVea and Jeanette I won’t use the word duck, but both unquestionably should have gotten title shots. Bad timing on the part with these two especially Jeanette.

But Johnson has zero excuses for not fighting Sam

 

That’s a fair opinion as long as your willing to admit a prime Wills is a huge step up from other big men Dempsey fought like Firpo, Fulton, and near 38 year old Willard

 

I’d love to hear your reasons for how the version of Fulton that Dempsey fought was better than the one wills fought. I think it’s a terribly weak argument for you.

1. Age. Fulton was 29 when he fought wills, 27 when he fought Dempsey. Not a difference

2. Record. Since losing to Dempsey, Fulton had gone 20-0 with 15 knockouts heading into the Wills fight. How, if any kind of slippage did he show?

3. Weight- Fulton weighed 210 and 208 both fights


As for the results, Dempsey knocked him out in 18 seconds. Wills destroyed him in 3 rounds breaking his ribs. Kind of splitting hairs aren’t we?



I think it’s clear both fought the same version of Fulton and both dominated him


As for Firpo, both Dempsey and Wills fought him only one year apart. Wills was 35 when he fought Dempsey, while Dempsey was only 28 when he fought Firpo. So Dempsey had a big advantage in youth.

I believe both fought the same version



I think 1915 Langford and McVea are better opponents than anyone Dempsey defeated besides sharkey. Langford and mcvey were top 3 heavyweights in the world when wills beat them officially. Also, A draw with a newspaper decision win in his 15th pro fight against a 1913 Jeanette and 1914 Langford is as good a result as any Dempsey has on his resume.

 

Where’s your proof Firpo was in top shape for Dempsey but not

Wills was 35 years old and absolutely manhandled the supposedly very strong much younger Firpo. Imagine how strong Wills was in his prime? Firpo didn’t even win a round Nor did he ever have wills in danger. Wills was 35 I repeat.

 

Just because certain posters find your favorite fighters resume overrated because he ducked the two best contenders of his era doesn’t mean people hate him.


I’d love to hear your reasons for how the version of Fulton that Dempsey fought was better than the one wills fought. I think it’s a terribly weak argument for you.

1. Age. Fulton was 29 when he fought wills, 27 when he fought Dempsey. Not a difference

2. Record. Since losing to Dempsey, Fulton had gone 20-0 with 15 knockouts heading into the Wills fight. How, if any kind of slippage did he show?

3. Weight- Fulton weighed 210 and 208 both fights


As for the results, Dempsey knocked him out in 18 seconds. Wills destroyed him in 3 rounds breaking his ribs. Kind of splitting hairs aren’t we?

Where was he ranked when he fought wills? Since the Dempsey loss, he went 20-0 with 15 knockouts going into the Wills bout. You judge for yourself.


I think it’s clear both fought the same version of Fulton and both dominated him