Weight bullies

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  1. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you actually believe your recollection of my old account means anything to ANYONE? Who are you trying to make this out to, everyone? You think anyone cares?

    So...this is your retort on accusing 3G of being a weight bully? Are you too stupid to realize what that statement means? It means EVERYONE who fought a smaller guy is a weight bully. Surely you didn't think that out, since that would involve THINKING, and you just don't do that. You say the first silly things that pop in to your head. As proof is here...
     
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  2. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly, you have to listen to your body when it tells you to move up. Look at selby against Warrington, selby had many warning signs before then an he ignored them because he wanted to keep that belt and when he fought Warrington he looked completely flat, powerless, slow and just got beaten up from pillar to post.

    The thing people don’t understand is boiling down comes with a risk, you are walking a tight rope and a small miscalculation and you could be drained and potential lose.
     
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  3. kirk

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    When a fighter constantly looks like a corpse while weighing in, while consistently outweighs their opponents by a significant amount on fight night, and whose size tends to play an obvious role in the fight, I dont feel one needs to know the specifics of their cuts to recognize them as weight bullies. The dots connect themselves, imo.

    As to your question, Im not too familiar with him to be honest, but I tend to go with does a fighter usually enjoy a consistent and significant weight advantage in his fights.


    But I think this discussion is drifting a bit, from your initial statements. Your position seemed to be, youre ok with what these fighters do and dont like the term weight bully. But that statement is coming from the position of acknowledgement of what they do. Now we are drifting into who is and isnt, and how can you actually tell. Which is fine, but just that thats a slightly different discussion to indeed knowing when a fighter is consistently enjoying a weight advantage, but not thinking the term weight bully is an appropriate term.
     
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  4. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    CaneloWeight... And he massively outsized all the guys he fought at CaneloWeight.

    Crawford weighed in at 140 and rehydrated to 158. Not a weight bully?

    And because Golovkin weighs in at 160 and comes in 168-170. He's a small middle.
     
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  5. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m enjoying this debate, okay to get back to my original post. Unless every fight involves a rehydration cap or we got back to the days of same day weigh in, I think it is pointless to talk about weight bullies the way people do. If you can, please give me an example of someone who looks like a zombie consistency in his weigh and reigned for a long time? I doubt there are many of those because draining yourself for extended periods of time is always detrimental. You have to make the weight in a healthy way with the right nutriention And training programme.

    If all it involved was starving yourself or doing excess cardio your body would fail you. Take someone like Jarrett Hurd, I’m not sure how he makes that weight but I can garuntee you he a very good cutting programme or he wouldn’t be a unified champ. I would rather praise his professionalism than try to diminish his achievement like some people do when they call him a weight bully.
     
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  6. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No because he made the weight in regard to Crawford. Too bad if some guys can’t make rehydrate the way he can. If GGG is too small, then he should move down and let the bigger guys duke it out at 160. I don’t think he is smaller if you ask me is a good size and he knows 154 would be too much of a challenge to make.
     
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  7. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Funny thing about 'weight bullies' is, their opponent has the exact same set of rules to play with.
     
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  8. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Agree! If a guy can lose the weight correctly and still perform at a high level, more power to him. He sacrificed a whole lot to get down to that weight.
     
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The guys he fought at caneloweight were all his own size - Angulo , Lara , Kirkland , Smith , Cotto.. Only fighting Khan made him a weigh bully since Khan never had and will likely never fight at 154/155 again.

    Similarly , GGG is a weight bully for fighting Vanes and Brook and trying to hard to fight Cotto. All the while avoiding guys from his own division and refusing outright to fight a bigger guy in Ward.

    The same weigh disparity between Canelo and GGG exists between GGG and Ward. Canelo took that challenge , GGG ran from his.
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly, It’s not like the ‘weight bullies’ get extra days to make weight or they get to use duiretics whilst their opponents arent allowed.
     
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  11. slender4

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    There have been three guys fighting at their natural weight recently
    Mayweather
    Pacquaio
    Rigondeaux

    MAYBEE

    Chenko (at 135)

    That's it.

    Every body else is a weight bully
     
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  12. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Pacquiao's a natural lightweight.
     
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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I remember Lance_Uppercut. As do many. What a terrible poster. I thought it might be you but I didn't know you were actually open about coming back with a new alt account! Haha. You were dreadful then and likely still are now.
     
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  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Funnily enough after I just talked trash to you one minute ago, I actually agree with and like this.
     
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  15. slender4

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    He was when he was younger, I doubt at his age he could make 135 now, but he could make 140.
     
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