Weight bullies

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what should be done? There will always be size disparities, 154 Hurd is still bigger than 154 J-rock. There is no way around it, back in the day you had small guys like Jack Johnson fighting at HW, he got on with it. I don’t understand what the problem is, they made weight and that’s all that matters. If a fighter thinks the guy is too big then don’t fight him, I won’t be happy but it is what it is.
     
  2. Cafe

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    Another thing is, that some fighters are better at weight cutting than others, and you know what? I personally don't like this being such a massive factor. Your boxing success shouldn't hinge on the ability to be able to drain as much water as possible out of your system.
     
  3. Cafe

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    Introduce extra rulings, change the weigh in process, that's the only way. We have what, 18 weight classes nowadays? And you still get fights between guys who look like they're 3 divisions apart. It simply makes no sense the way things are done at the moment.

    Not fighting someone isn't a real option either.
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some fighters have longer reach than others, some fighters are stronger than others. In sports so many things can give you an advantage, size isn’t everything look at the HWs where you got size disparities of sometimes up to 40lbs. That’s why the HWs are the real men, no catch weights or complaining about size differences .
     
  5. Cafe

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    And there's no downside to cutting down on this weight drain bull**** anyway, I'm not sure why people are against it. We'll have fairer fights, get rid of this horrid practice that probably has a lot of long term health side effects. What are the negatives?
     
  6. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree they should do a weight limit on the rehydration but that’s not the case except with the IBF, but whilst this is the rules it’s not abig deal.
     
  7. jmashyaka

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    If they get rid of it that’s fine, those big guys boiling down in weight will have to move up. The reason I originally brought this up is because a lot of fans use ‘weight bullying’ as an excuse for their fighter losing. I don’t like that, your fighter knew what he was going up against, look at Khan when he got laid out by Canelo, saying Canelo was 180, what did you think you was going against Khan? Did you think he was gonna not rehydrate because he was fighting you.
     
  8. Cafe

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    Size means a lot, always has. If you're below 6'5 right now at HW? Good luck becoming a champion. But with heavyweights, at least we start hitting the point of diminishing returns which you don't begin to see until you get to those extremes, there is such a thing as too big, just look at Valuev and Dong. That's not the case in lower weights though.

    And I'm fine with reach, height and other types of advantages that don't pertain to weight. If you have longer reach and are taller... You probably are lankier and probably not as strong as the other guy, there's plus and minuses to all body types.

    With size though, you can have longer reach, be taller AND bigger and stronger too. It's too much. There needs to be a control and there is, it's just not doing a good job at the minute.
     
  9. Boxing Truth

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    Kevin McBride was a weight bully when he fought Tyson.

    McBride constantly pushed and used his 30-40 lbs weight advantage against Tyson against the ropes.
     
  10. Manu Vatuvei

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    What cracks me up is people here are constantly calling fighters "weight bullies" and yet they have NO IDEA what the guy actually weighs

    "Weight bully" here basically means "tall for his division" or "big biceps and broad shoulders" or some variation of "I don't really have a good concept of how much people weigh but this guy just looks big to me"

    Literally you could have all the proof in the world that someone like Jarrett Hurd weighed the same as the guys he was fighting and people still wouldn't be satisfied
     
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    On the flip side you have someone like Canelo, where we have a ton of documented proof that he was HUGE at 154, but now the narrative has flipped and you have people saying he isn't even that big at 154. A 175lb guy isn't big at 154 because he doesn't fit people's preconceptions of what a weight bully looks like.
     
  12. Angler Andrew

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    Not according to Paulie Mallinagi who thinks the sole reason for those cutting a lot of weight and those jumping divisions like it didn’t matter is down to modern doping....PEDs making the hard seem easy.
    I worry for the health of em to be honest as when you read up on extreme weight cutting and the fluid on the brain,spinal fluid ect it really does make you wonder how we’ve not seen more complications or even deaths from it.
    Wouldn’t hurt to experiment with the amateurs going back to same day weigh ins would it?

    Would be “weight bullies”have to be very professional re making weight,Canelo say what you want about him was the ultimate pro when it came to making weight.
     
  13. Angler Andrew

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    Lol Canelos an odd one,even in the Floyd fight Box Nation Commentators called him an absolute barrel of a man,pretty sure they said the exact same thing against GGG too.

    Whilst Canelo doesn’t have the height of a usual Middleweight their are exceptions to the rule,who’s the tiny Russian guy who was gonna fight Saunders till he got put in prison for Mafia connections?that guy was smaller than Canelo but struggled making 160lbs.
     
  14. jmashyaka

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    The thing is I don’t think I’ve ever heard any fighter complain about the day before weigh in. It’s only the fans that make a big deal about it. Fact of the matter is if you made weight you are in that weight division, all this moaning about how much someone rehydrated is irrelevant. The better fight will usually better the bigger man.

    Let’s look at a couple of guys they call notorious ‘weight bullies’:
    Canelo-he got eventually got popped for clenbuterol. Imo Lara beat him and he was smaller than Canelo.
    Chavez jr- got beaten by Martinez, and when he couldn’t make weight no more and moved up he got iced by Fonfara.
    Quillin-he got iced in one round, where is he now.

    I say this to say that draining yourself doesn’t mean anything. You have to make the weight healthy and perform, or else you will get disposed of by the smaller man.
     
  15. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You’re talking about the Georgian Khurtsidze.