I could tell Canelo was cheating from the Liam smith fight. I knew then he was on some kind durietics. Imo it comes with a price if you really want a physical advantage so much you are losing 30lbs don’t cry if you end up in hospital. One thing I will say is this, when you body can’t take the weight off in a good way, you will not be able to fight at the top level for long. Look at selby the warning signs were there and he stayed at 126, ends getting beaten by euro level guy like Warrington.
Also we just saw Parker as the champ and he was 6’4. We just saw Ortiz at 6’4 almost beat Wilder at 6’7, isn’t Gassiev and Usyk supposed to come up to HW and sweep the whole division according to a lot of posters on here.
Worse than weight bullies are actual weight cheaters. The guys that couldn't make the weight in a proper manner and used diuretics and/or other crap to make the weight and then bulk up 20+ lbs before the fight happened. B. Rios, J. Love, G. Jones, JCC Jr, L. Nery, and many others. At least weight bullies "only" abuse the flawed rules of boxing weigh-ins, for weight cheaters that isn't even enough and they need to break those easy to abuse rules.
Well boxing's a game of margins, of course there are times you have a smaller fighter who's just better on the night, even with a size difference. Chavez Jr just wasn't very good and that's why he had to drop down to 160, because otherwise he wouldn't have really made any significant impact in the sport. That alone tells you something, this guy used the flawed system we have to make a career for himself. Quillin, IDK if he was a weight bully personally, he wasn't really THAT big for a middleweight and he always fought there. I wouldn't classify him as such. With Canelo I think it's an iffy case as well, because he did fight at WW prior and he's short, he was more of a case of a legit 154 overstaying his welcome. For me a weight bully would be more a guy who doesn't belong in the weight class to begin with, case in point Broner. No way was that man ever a 130lber. He pretty much made all his opponents look like absolute midgets. Hurd is another example.
I was meaning more of a real main champion, of course with the amount of belts we have etc, there will be smaller guys holding belts out there but to rule or contend to rule the division? Not happening. With Murat and Usyk I can see them going up and having some success but at the end of the day, they're too short, they won't be able to hang with the big guys for too long. Even if by some miracle they managed to somehow secure themselves as the main champions, another big guy would probably come around soon enough to quickly dethrone them.
Lol you kill yourself when you say that they are in a weight division that they shouldn’t be fighting in. They made weight though so of course they should be fighting in those divisions. Name some fighter in a weight division who doesn’t utilise rehydration? Either they are to lazy to cut weight or are just anomalies.
If you can make the weight and play by all the rules, then I couldn't care less. If the weight is made, then no excuses. Theres cons as well as pros for people who cut a lot of weight.
Well I would provide examples but you already made your retort. We have already established that the weigh-in process is flawed, not only that, can be cheated with diuretics and other substances. It's not perfect, not belonging in a weight division means a division your body can't safely handle for long. For me it's about doing it within reason. 10-12lb rehydration limit should be about right. If those controls were introduced and somehow we'd still end up with guys who look bigger fighting smaller guys, so be it. Right now, there's not enough controls in place. A simple 24 hour check prior to the fight doesn't "cut" it. Pun intentional.
The belong in a division comment meant you are fighting below what your natural weight class is. Broner, started off at LW for example then dropped down to SFW. So even from the get go, the guy was too big for that division but did it for a few fights to gain extra clout for holding multiple weight titles.
I don’t care if Broner did that. If he had got his ass whooped you wouldn’t have said anything about his ‘weight bullying’
I don’t know why you telling me about more effort should be placed on preventing fighters from rehydrating huge amounts. I already said I agree, but till then the fighters who can rehydrate a lot shouldn’t be criticised by fans.
Good, because I was beginning to think we're going in circles. I agree with that, they shouldn't be, they're only using the tools given to them. It'd be almost like blaming fighters for using PEDs if PED's suddenly were made legal. I personally rarely do criticize fighters for this, I've done it a couple times admittedly, with Broner and JCCjr but that stems more from my already predisposed dislike for them. But I can understand people's frustrations as well because at the end of the day, people want to see a fair a fight as possible and many views this as a breach of that sanctity. Hey, it is what it is. Lots of people do go overboard though on this forum though with "Oh this guy rehydrates to 170!!!!". It is tiring to see.