Weight bullies

I see what you mean, and in general agree.

I don't mind fighters being very large at the weight as long as they make weight legitimately, and are honest about it. Being able to cut a lot of weight is a skill, and in a sense no different to being blessed with other physical gifts, speed, reflexes, power. However, historically draining large amounts of weight is a little contrary to the intent of the introduction of weight divisions (the idea was to measure boxing ability instead of size, not to measure how good a fighter is at cutting weight), so I can understand where the criticism comes from. That being said I would cut weight to the lowest division I could make reasonably comfortably were I a pro boxer.

My view is a bit of a compromise in the end: I wouldn't criticize a fighter who does this, however in a p4p rating sense I would advocate penalising size a little, after all it is pound for pound so those extra pounds ought to count.

 

Jermell Charlo, Hurd, Munguia are weight bullies. Jermall moving upto 160 disregards him. Horn probably should be at 154 rather than 147. I think Hurd gets by mostly by size imo but he's crafting his skills as he racks up more experience. Jacobs is perhaps is an honorable mention.

Guys who are just big at the weight but i wouldn't consider them weight bullies - Brook and Spence. Brook is now a junior mid so he can be disregarded.

I don't think it's a huge issue in boxing but some get by mostly by size rather than skill. MMA weight bullying happens much more and is much more effective having a size advantage in that sport.

I think between light heavy and cruiser you'll get a few ''no man's land'' fighters which i think can be disregarded.

Overall i don't think it's a huge problem but you get a few fighters who take advantage of the weight loophole.

 

If you look at a person's natural ''frame'' when they're in the ring... You can see they probably should be fighting at a higher weight.

It doesn't take a genius to see that. You can see when guys get by mostly by size rather than skill and they're generally ''denser'' overall size wise than their opponent.

I mean weight bullying happens but i don't think it's a major problem.

I think Jeff Horn is a big welterweight. He fought Corcoran who he matched in size who is a natural junior middleweight.

When he fought Pacquiao his size was accentuated because Pacquiao is a natural lightweight/junior welterweight and Horn is a bigger welterweight but more like a junior middleweight frame wise. Plus he has a hard time cutting weight to 147. Usually that's a sign a fighter has outgrown the division and needs to move up yet they'll still linger in that weight. Usually because the competition above them is more fierce and they're less likely to be as successful in their natural weight class. If they have an easier route with their belt org...etc...

Obviously variables come into play about the opponents they fight and how skilled they are...etc...

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Not the best comparison but you have a blown up light welter/welterweight vs a fighter who should be at 160lbs and above. Do you notice the natural frame size difference between the two? It should be distinctly obvious.

I mean there's certain stuff which can be disregarded mostly when a fighter is moving up in weight as they age naturally they can no longer make the weight. Canelo for example.

You then have guys who are 6'1'' walking around at 180 - 200 lbs who could easily fight at 160 but choose to fight at 154 because the competition is weaker and they're more likely to win a title.

 

The sport of Boxing is not about whose best at cutting weight.

Don't forget age either. Cutting weight w/o much adverse affect is attainable before one reaches 30yrs old. You won't find many over 30 cutting a whole weight class.

 

It gets on my nerves when 2 men get in to the ring and look about 3 or 4 weights apart. I was sorta against it but people on here talked me round saying it isnt illegal it is an advantage like a solid chin or lethal knock out power or lightening reactions. Cant really argue with that. You got a legal advantage you may aswell make use of it.

Apart from Canelo though, he IS a weight bully, he was massive compared to opposition when at the 154 and "155" weights. Trying to drag legitimate Middleweights down to 155 "to make it fair" whilst he is on the peds and comes in like a cruiserweight. That is just decietful trickery to gain an unfair advantage. Canelo is a weight bully.

 

Just the idea of this term is just stupid.
If you make the weight then you make the weight..nothing else matters.

 

He dragged a ''notorious weight bully'' down in weight in Chavez Jr.

 

I swear half of you posters here are brain dead.

 

Is that what I said? WTF, stop changing the narrative. Boxing is Boxing, it shouldn't be about who can cut the most weight to get the biggest advantage before the fight even begins. Pretty darn simple concept yea?

 

Because they surround themselves with world class nutritionists and experts in the field who've gone through the weight cutting process time and time again.

You tell me why a 6'3'' man like Willie Nelson who walks around at 190lbs fights at 154. Al Haymon 154 pounders hiding from the Golovkin's of this world and the super middleweights. Willie Nelson is an example. Jermall Charlo has always been a big junior middleweight. The dude should've always fought at 160. He could pick up a world title and help his marketability by beating an old, shot never was that good K-9 Bundrage at 154.

It's pretty obvious but it's ok... It's not a huge diss on the sport... It happens and has happened for a long time. It's not really a huge issue but you can see it in some fights where there's a difference in size. Eventually it catches up to them and they can no longer do it anymore. It can be an advantage or a huge disadvantage.

 

Oh yeah, good point, so not only is he dragging people up he is dragging them down in weight too. Lol Chavez was walking around the ring like the only thing hed eaten in 6 months was valium. That was such an awful fight.