Calzaghe vs Ward break down of strengths? Very even across board

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The two best 168 lbers of all time... They shared two common opponents, Kessler and Bika. Ward beat Kessler easier and Calzaghe beat Bika easier. Calzaghe fought both first and likely better versions.

    Size/Strength? Calzaghe is around 5'11.5, Ward looks to be about 6'0.5, about an inch taller. Reach looks to be the same. Both are considered very physically strong guys for their division. Hard to say who was stronger physically. - Even

    Handspeed? again seems really even between the two boxers, Ward may have quicker single punches, where as Joe had faster combinations. - Even

    Power? About the same, neither were concussive guys. - Even

    Footwork? Calzaghe had great angles and turned guys like Lacy for fun, Ward also had really good footwork. Hard to split. - Even

    Adaptabilty? Calzaghe showed great ability to adjust, particularly vs Kessler. I was also mesmerised by how Ward completely shut out Kovalev in the 2nd half of the first fight - Even.

    Workrate? Definitely Calzaghe, could throw 1000 punches a fight comfortably. Ward seemed to pick punches more and stayed around 500 range - Calzaghe

    In the end, I think the workrate and Southpaw style could give Joe the edge in a prime for prime fight. But it's so close to call across the board. I think Calzaghe's performance vs Lacy was the most complete/ amazing between the two fighters' joint career, no fight of Ward's has left me as awed as that one by Calzaghe.
     
  2. SnatchBox

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    Fight has draw written all over it
     
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  3. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They both have perfect style to beat the other guy and both are natural born winners.
     
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  4. Inside pass

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    Yeah this is as Evan as you can get.
    I recon ward has a slight edge in skill and altheticism.
    Also I think the heights r opposite.
    I'm sure ward is 5'11 n cal is 6ft +.
     
  5. Halfordscream

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    Ward fought the far better version of Bika. Bika had only had approximately 10 (almost 11) minutes (3 full rounds) as a SMW in total ring time when he got the call for Joe. He was a middleweight transitioning up to SMW who had fought for the OPBF (that's right) middleweight title (and the even more prestigious <sarcasm> Australian middleweight title) and besides the 3 rounds with Beyer had only been in the ring with Sam Soliman (that's it) up to that point in his career. So, a mere 11 months earlier Bika had (still) been fighting as a middleweight for the OPBF (versus the renowned <sarcasm> Yoshihiro Araki (for the 2nd time)).

    Joe had 41 fights (at SMW) before facing Bika, a nearly first-timer Bika at the weight. It was Joe's 20th SMW title fight (19th defense) at that point.

    Substantial difference. The most veteran SMW (ever) versus a comparative novice at the weight. And, still, "super" (experienced anyway) Joe had an equally difficult and hard time with the inexperienced Bika.

    A young and inexperienced Ward handled veteran Bika similarly and Kessler more easily - but then again, he didn't wait until his 42nd and 44th fights to step (up) to them. The 25 year old Ward's most well known (and/or experienced or "accomplished") opponent prior to accepting the task of facing (and stopping) the WBA champ Mikkel Kessler was Edison Miranda (that's it). Says a lot ... about prime for prime questions (at either SMW or LHW).
     
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  6. RealDeal

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    I’m not a big Ward fan, but I think he’d find a way to win this if it’s in Oakland. I do think Calzaghe takes it if it’s in the UK (in which case Ward probably wouldn’t agree to the fight in the first place).
     
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  7. Pimp C

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    A true pick em fight if there ever was one.
     
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  8. HerolGee

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    workrate wouldnt bother ward, hes fit for 12 round fight, and nor would southpaw, he worked out southies a long time ago and can switch between the styles himself without thought. He was actually a natural southpaw so could have gone south himself all night against joe without a second of a problem.
     
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  9. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

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    Ward would’ve won and would’ve scored atleast one KD against Joe. Definitely not a pickem fight.
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    The Kessler that fought Ward, had one belt, and if not for Ward, would have added 2nd belt to it. He was the same unified title capability guy whom joe fought.

    The only different in the one joe fought the version was kessler was against joe carrying a hand injury requiring surgery that he postponed in order to fight.

    Both took an elite scalp, there should be no shame in either win...the only issue would be joe running from a fully fit kessler post surgery. Joe had waited 10 years for another decent SMW champ to get injured so he could face him, he didnt have time to wait another 10.
     
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  11. CRJ

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    This guy thinks Ward and Calzaghe strength are even. Not even a Ward hater could say something so ridiculous
     
  12. CRJ

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    Imagine that. I guy who almost lost a decision against a 44 year old Hopkins is gonna outwork a prime Andre Ward.:rolleyes:
     
  13. HerolGee

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    a man whose claim to fame is barely last gasp beating a 43 year old man is clearly not in the league of multiple division, multiple prime elite killing, Ward.
    Ward doing all that,and retiring 1 full year younger than the age that Calzaghe first even challenged for a major title - Why even bother comparing them, such is the gulf?

    And ward isnt even finished, if what we hear is right. Hes just getting warmed up.



    Calzage should instead be compare with people who briefly, won recognised titles in their late thirties, unified then quit.
     
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  14. bluebird

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    OK. Ward has a slight edge. Point is Calzaghe was very strong himself so he wouldn't be ragdolled in there.
     
  15. bluebird

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    Kovalev is the best win from combined records of the two, agree with that.