The case for 20 point rounds

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I saw a thread advocating for 13 round fights to make less draws. Imo the LAST thing we need is LESS draws under the current rules.

    All sports have an element of subjectivity. Boxing fans don't usually like to admit it, but boxing is on the very high end of subjective. Does volume count more? Or does impact? How much? Does efficiency count more? Elusiveness? Or aggression? How much? All are valid points of view.

    Imo, about half the rounds I (personally, but could equally apply to judges or any of you) score 10/9 there is a decent argument could be scored 10/10 or 10/9 the other way, playing off either those factors or just general closeness.

    10/8 rounds are either for kds or absolute dominance and virtually a standing 8 count. So there's not much room for in between.

    So why not make rounds 20 point? Default score should be winner gets 20, loser 19. If someone very CLEARLY, but not DOMINANTLY (such as would require a 10/8 round) wins the round, they get a 20/18 round. About half of the rounds I score 10/9 would be 20/18 in that circumstance, half 20/19.

    KD get 20/17 or 20/16, with victim getting 20/17 if it was a competitive round otherwise or 20/16 if he was dominated.

    Imo this is the way to make scoring fairer. Certainly under the current rules, I want MORE draws rather than less. But this would allow for fighters who won their rounds more cleanly to take a more definitive lead, and would justify less draws.
     
  2. RingKing75

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  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    2 plus 2 is 4, minus 1, that's 3, quick maths.
     
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  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your first paragraphs, where you are laying out the problem, are mostly true.

    Your last three, where you propose a solution, are less persuasive.





    Better solution would be combined scoring. The three judges score independently, but wham it comes to the final tally, fighters are only credited with winning a round where all three judges agree on that round.

    All other rounds are considered drawn.

    The fight is scored on rounds, 11 per fight and 13 for title fights.

    Weigh-ins at 12:01 am on fight day.
     
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  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Intelligent response moron
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Valid proposal. Main problem is I don't have faith in judges, but it's better than where we are at now.
     
  7. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Really boxing is complicated enough as is....

    rounds should only be rewarded to the winner.

    1 point for who's round it was...0 for the loser.

    2 points for a knock down ..3 for 2 knock downs a round!

    A dominant round with no knockdown that can't be disputed is also a 2 point round.

    This would cut off all confusion and jargon!


    The solution is less points not more and make it fan friendly.
     
  8. BANDCAMP24

    BANDCAMP24 I'm from their cloth. Full Member

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    What the hell did i just read..

    Lets make the scoring a 985-984 system.
    Knowdowns bring the score down to 963
    Standing 8 counts bring the score to 976
    Deducting a point brings score down to 981

    :bananaride
     
  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither do I.

    But if we only counted unanimously agreed upon rounds, it would eliminate some of the BS scoring.
     
  10. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I appreciate the idea, but it seems too complicated for me.
    My suggestion is:
    First, to encourage the judges to score more even rounds, cause in my opinion some rounds are just that close where neither fighters insert a dominance.
    Second, add 2 more judges.
    As I understand, all 3 judges sit on each side of the ring and one side for journalist.
    Why not for big title fights, pick one of the journalist and make him one of the official scorer of the particular fight. Now, a journalist could be bias but they are also easier to be held accountable cause they interact with the media and masses, unlike the disappearance of judges after controversial fight.
    The fifth judge should be in a separate booth away from the arena, watching the telecast without commentary on.
     
  11. Cableaddict

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    Say, I like this idea.

    Of course, it will never happen. The powers-that-be like things just the way they are. Heck, if they could just find a way to prevent those pesky knockouts, they could control EVERYTHING !
     
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  12. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Going by 20s is just too ugly, but I actually agree with the principle of the idea. And I've been thinking of something similar.

    A related issue is the fact that referees don't have a lot of latitude in penalizing fighters.

    If a fighter is doing something "bad," what can the referee do? Either nothing, or deduct an entire point, where a point is huge. The equivalent of losing a round. It's simply too extreme in many cases.

    It would be better if referees could deduct smaller quantities to better control the fighters.

    Maybe 10 points to round winners, 5/0 points to round losers depending on their level of success? Maybe -10 points for a KD? And the ref could perhaps deduct like 5 points for misconduct.

    I don't know why I'm bothering with this though, it will never happen.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    They tried something sort of similar to that in New Jersey. Consensus Scoring, I believe it was called. It was used for Golota-Grant.

    They ultimately did away with it after one fighter won under consensus scoring, but actually lost on all 3 official cards. I think that was the case, but I can't remember the fight at the moment.
     
  14. JacK Rauber

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    Yeah, but you could easily do this already with the 10-point scoring system. Judges just need to be instructed to be more flexible on how they score a round. In other words, it's not the number of points assigned, it is how you use the points.
     
  15. RingKing75

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